Metal Fabricating/Layout Books

[DeepPenetration]

Does anyone know of any good ones?

[Bowhunterman]

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[SonyMobile]

Fabricating and layout? I have two books at home, woudlnt consider them fab, or layout, but a general welding "text book" as well as a blueprinting text, both great books, Im out of town at the moment, but I will post the names when I get home if you are interested.

[Tinbasher]

I am a sheet metal worker and have collected quite a few layout books over the years. In my opinion the best series is one by Joseph Kaberlein. I believe it is a three book series and is now out of print. "Triangulation shortcuts, Shortcuts for round layout, and HVAC layout" They are from the '40's and come up on e-bay from time to time. They are without a doubt the best layout instruction books out there. All beautifully hand drawn plates with written explanations.

[William McCormick Jr]

I don't think I ever got a hold of them. However I have gotten a hold of some steam fitter books I believe. They are Audel books and they have the layouts for takeoffs from round pipe. And they also show how to cut the individual "gores" as my boss calls them, for making elbows.

Over the years I have learned how to make square to rounds, and then a year goes by and I forget. It is almost amazing. We just do not do enough by hand to keep it in memory. I am sure they even show the square to round in the Audel book but I never get around to it. I am going to do that today, maybe I will scan in some of my books and post them.

Just finished an aluminum rail yesterday for the firehouse. A girl in a mini-Cooper plowed through an exact set, jumped down into the parking lot and tore up the asphalt. Then she jumped up and pulled the chain link fence about twelve feet into the house next door, and knocked the tub into the hallway. And was ok.


http://www.Rockwelder.com/GeneralCadd/Projects/FireHouse/FH2.jpg
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Sincerely,



William McCormick

[William McCormick Jr]

Here is the text that goes along with the attached picture for making square to rounds.

http://www.Rockwelder.com/WeldingWeb/MathLayout/STR2.JPG


The steam fitters book has a bunch like this. It may look a little complex, but believe it or not that is an easy peace to make once you see it done or you understand the few measurements you really need. They are just showing you everything so you can understand it better.

But once you see it done you almost laugh at how easy it is.

If these are the kind of layouts you are looking for let me know I will compile an electronic book of them. You just need one or two large compasses to make that lay out in under five minutes.




Sincerely,



William McCormick

[hotrodder]

'the geometry of sheet metal work' by A Dickason. ISBN# 0-582-00961-8

begins with the basics of radial line, parallel line and triangulation- cones, elbows and 'square to rounds'. these principles are applied to more and more complex examples in later chapters; twisted surfaces, tappered lobster back bends & spirals, spiral chutes and the like.

first printed in 1967, it's been reprinted every couple of years ever since!

[William McCormick Jr]

'the geometry of sheet metal work' by A Dickason. ISBN# 0-582-00961-8

begins with the basics of radial line, parallel line and triangulation- cones, elbows and 'square to rounds'. these principles are applied to more and more complex examples in later chapters; twisted surfaces, tappered lobster back bends & spirals, spiral chutes and the like.

first printed in 1967, it's been reprinted every couple of years ever since!

My book is from 1926 but does cover much more complex shapes. Some of the illustrations, compared to the more modern illustrations, are often simpler. And where they are complex, they are teaching you the reason why in most cases.

I would like to see some of the more modern books. I never saw any in book stores. But I will check Amazon dot com to see if the books you recommend are there.

The book also goes into boiler plate design complete with rivet layouts. Ha-ha.





Sincerely,


William McCormick

[Bud]

At TheSheetMetalShop.com -We offer a very extensive online library of books on sheet metal layout free and by instant download. The download includes 17 books (5000 pages) PDF for 20.00 and are all printable...if you're looking for someting specific please do let be know and I'll see if we can find it for you...

[ol' Stick Guy]

I P T trade books are pretty cool the handbooks are about 4"x 6" by an inch thick check it out
IPT Publishing and Training Ltd. www.iptbooks.com they list Metal trades, Crane and Rigging,Pipe trades, Electrical etcetera they are full of formulas, datum and layout techniques the best part is they fit in your lunch pail, glove box or toolbox, I use mine weekly for Pipe-fitting

[weldbead]

Robert(?) Frankland wrote several pocket-sized pipe fitter books which teac h the layout for orange peels, lots of fishmouthed fittings, and trade mathematics..

[NMWelds]

TRIANGULATION Short-cut Layouts
By: Joseph J. Kaberlein
The copy I use was written in 1948, but honestly it doesn't come out very often. It's cheaper and easier for us to call the guy down the street with a CNC plasma and computer generated patterns.
Example: tell the computer square to round, 16 Ga, 10" square, 8" round, 12" high and faster than I typed this, the pattern is done and transferred to the CNC.

Knowing how to do it is a great tool, but most of the time for me is not cost effective.

[clive]

My shop bible is "Practical Sheet and Plate Metal work" by E.Arthur Atkins.
It is old, my tradesman had one when I was an apprentice that had been printed in the late 1890's, mine was the 1966 reprint. You can pick them up online, I found a couple two years ago for an apprentice, I can't remember what he paid but it was reasonable.
Clive

[neat-o]

My shop bible is "Practical Sheet and Plate Metal work" by E.Arthur Atkins.
It is old, my tradesman had one when I was an apprentice that had been printed in the late 1890's, mine was the 1966 reprint. You can pick them up online, I found a couple two years ago for an apprentice, I can't remember what he paid but it was reasonable.
Clive

You can get that one new at Amazon:

Link to Amazon

[clive]

You can get that one new at Amazon:

Link to Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Sheet-Plate-Metal-Work/dp/1409766993/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244815417&sr=1-1)
Thanks for that, it is still a great book even if you don't have to make a hip bath. I'll keep that for the apprentices who are keen to learn.
Clive

[exotherm]

I found this one pretty useful :

How to Do Aircraft Sheet Metal Work by Cal Norcross

http://amzn.com/1559181893

[AaronL]

you can get those older books for free on books.google.com, i just downloaded the "practical sheet and plate work"

[BrianNye Welding guy]

This book shows all sorts of useful stuff including square to rounds and machining spherical surfaces on conventional`s.....awesome old school tricks.

http://www.amazon.com/Sink-Swim-Metalworking-Journeymans-Fabricators/dp/0831133627

[havik180]

'the geometry of sheet metal work' by A Dickason. ISBN# 0-582-00961-8

begins with the basics of radial line, parallel line and triangulation- cones, elbows and 'square to rounds'. these principles are applied to more and more complex examples in later chapters; twisted surfaces, tappered lobster back bends & spirals, spiral chutes and the like.

first printed in 1967, it's been reprinted every couple of years ever since!

I have never read this book but , I am a union sheet metal worker apprentice (local 104). Any book that teaches parallel and radial line development as well as triangulation will teach just about everything you need to know to layout just about anything. These are the techniques we are taught in school and they have been used forever (before computers) to layout all sheet metal work . I think it would worth a look.

Rich

[tinner]

I am also a fellow 104 member, howdy. Some good layout books are:
The Tinsmiths Helper and Pattern Book, H.K. Vosburgh first printed 1879
Sheet Metal Pattern and Drafting and shop problems; Daugherty-Powell and Foster first printed 1959
Sheet Metal Pattern Layouts; Theo. Audel & Co. first published 1942
Any of the books by Richard Budzik you can find them at http://www.practicalpublication.com/
Machinery's Handbook is also invaluable not as a layout book, but determining calculations before fabrication
The other books, like most layout books today, you will probably have to find on e-bay.

[Rickster]

There is a Metal Layout Calculator that fits in your shirt pocket that will layout flat patterns for (Cones that are C/L or Offset), Square to Rounds/,C/L or Offset, Round Elbows, Tee's/Saddle's at any angle including the hole layout and much more. It reads out in both Decimal and Fractional to the closest 1/32", 1/16", 1/8", 1/4" or what ever you prefer. using a large Blk.& White screen. It comes with a 100 plus page Visual Manual for people that can read a drawing easier than they can read the written word. You just transfer the dimensions the calculator gives you to your material starting with a BaseLine. You can copy a page to follow from the Visual Manual to take out in the shop for reference if you don't know the Layout. It really speeds up a job and is mathematically DEAD ACCURATE and you don't need to know any math. It also has a lot of Utility programs like solving triangles,(90` & Oblique), Finding Arcs and Radius's, layout for a perfect Ellipse including the circumference,(Used for penetrating a deck or wall with a pipe at any angle), length of any ARC & DEG and much, much more. Its worth looking at, the website is www.sheetmetallayoutcalculator.com