New Grinding mask

[Planet X]

I also aquired this American made grinding shield for a mere $17. Just from looking at the build quality of the rachet headband part it smokes my Jackson/mor-safe clunker. Note the interesting 'spaceman' lexan bubble - I am hoping this reduces fogging from breath and the Optics do not seem bad at all considering curvature- Did I mention -Made in the USA.
I ordered the Optrel welding helmet and this Paulson grinding shield from E.S.P.-see link below- ordered yesterday-UPS dropped off today! I guess sometimes it is good being right next to CA:p
Enviro-Safety Products (http://www.envirosafetyproducts.com/index.htm)

[Aaron]

Let us know how this works out. I'm using my Satellite for a grinding hood, and that's an expensive way to go..... :rolleyes:

[Planet X]

Originally posted by Aaron
Let us know how this works out. I'm using my Satellite for a grinding hood, and that's an expensive way to go..... :rolleyes:

Aaron , as of right now it is outstanding, biggest improvement is I can actually bend my neck now, much greater range of movement than old style.
Replacement lenses are $10-9 dollars though-US plastic I guess;)

The harness part of this thing will accept normal shields as well, if I had known about it I would not have wasted $ on the Jackson-it was a recent replacement as well because I could not find new shields for my old one.
I pretty much have some sort've shield at most of my grinding/cutting tools- I'm tool lazy to go looking for one and with my luck I'd catch something with the retina. At first glance this would look like a waste of $$ but just one ER trip would eat up $ that could've gone to buying more steel or beer.

[Franz]

Looks a little heavy with that steel cervicle collar, but I suppose you get used to it.

Rubbing a freshly cut raw onion on the inside of the lens will cut down on the fogging, honest.
If you don't have an onion, a drop of Fog-X will also work.

Check around, there is a guy selling stick on protector film on ePay that will considerably extend the life of that bubble.

[Planet X]

Originally posted by Franz
Looks a little heavy with that steel cervicle collar, but I suppose you get used to it.

Rubbing a freshly cut raw onion on the inside of the lens will cut down on the fogging, honest.
If you don't have an onion, a drop of Fog-X will also work.

Check around, there is a guy selling stick on protector film on ePay that will considerably extend the life of that bubble.

Yeah, that rim (1 of 4) came off of some sort''ve miltary missle trailer thing-got a cool project lined up for those puppies.

Fog is an issue-course the cold may have something to do with it . Helmet lense comes under chin more so if you breath hard you will fog the lower portions of the lense.- I will get back to you on the Onion thing.
I will also spend some time surfing on your suggested site and see whats up.

[4xJedi]

That looks pretty nice. Are you sure you don't feel like you're in a fish bowl? Any distortion? If not seem like you'll have a nice field of view.
mike

[Planet X]

Originally posted by 4xJedi
That looks pretty nice. Are you sure you don't feel like you're in a fish bowl? Any distortion? If not seem like you'll have a nice field of view.
mike

It does fit differently, if they made a fishbowl big enough for my head I think you might be right. Optics are pretty good on par with normal distortion you get with other styles of shields. Big diff though is there is not a big gap between your chin & neck like with standard shield design.
A bunch of what I grind is at waist level-so I'm guessing it will give more protection.
The whole thing is just well made-did not expect much for 17 dollars a good suprise.

[Jim314]

Franz talking about the onion and Fog-x reminded me that in my younger days scuba diving, we use to rub glycerin on tje inside our mask to keep them from fogging. I wonder if that would work on grinding shield also? It's certainly cheap enough.

[big rig guy]

I like that mask, I have been using the style from Snap Off for years now, replacement lens is cheap, and the headgear last for years. I think in around 25 bucks for the whole thing, you can also buy the tinted lens for working with your torch.

They cover most of your face and not too tight to have to worry about it fogging up.

I'm grinding alot and leave it on for most of the day, comfortable.

I also like to wear a good pair of safety glasses under the visor as well.

[big rig guy]

Heh Franz I've heard of the onion trick, never done it, would it not make your eyes water???????

[Franz]

Well B.R. that's sorta the part we use to see if a new guy's gonna make it as a weldor or not. If they go to bitchin about their bein dumb enough to rub an onion on their lense they are cut loose from the program.
If they did it, and don't complain, we figure they will make the cut.
If they just look at ya when you tell em to use an onion, we know we have a smart student.

The fog x stuff works better than anything else I've found.

[gungatim]

That Snap-on face shield is made by jackson and is the same as the jackson/Morsafe unit. I wear one myself in my woodshop and find it very comfortable. Of course I am biased...

[CBT]

That looks like what I used one time on my motorcycle skid-lid

[BMB]

I've always heard of rubbing a cut raw tater to prevent fogging, never tried it though.

BMB

[SlagKing]

I have heard that if you chew gum when cutting onions or rubbing onions on your face shields, that your eyes won't burn.
Being from Iowa and doing a lot of truck farming, could be something to it!

[whodat]

Best thing I've used hands down is Fog Tech from www.motosolutions.com I ride my motorcycle to work pretty much every day it isn't snowing, in temps ranging down to 12*F this winter. Full face helmet, plus I wear glasses. Add to that a windscreen that just deflects the wind from my chest directly onto my helmet, and there is a net of no air movement across the visor. This fogtech stuff goes on easy and lasts a full day of riding with absolutely no fogging at all. Not the cheapest, but it's definitely worth it.
whodat

[themenz]

We make FogTech. Is fogging a big issue with welders?

[Planet X]

Originally posted by themenz
We make FogTech. Is fogging a big issue with welders?

Does your product give off toxic fumes when exposed to extreme heat?
I ask because one of my welding masks is a large window model and breathing out can fog it up-this sucks for welding because Im not good enough to weld by 'feel' I need to see the weld.

As far as grinding masks go-welders have to exhale like anyone else and the safety eye protection can/will often 'fog'. Mostly this means you might grind alittle too much or go crooked now and then.
But people would wear safety glasses more IF they did not fog or get scratched up- you wear the stuff to save your sight , but they often get in the way of 'seeing'.....

[Junk]

I heard that wiping some fresh doggie doo on the mask will prevent fogging. I'm just waiting for Franz or Big Rig Guy to try it first.

[themenz]

Planet,

The product is a blend of carriers and surfactants.

The carrier evaporates in seconds leaving the surfactant behing which provides the anti-fog protection.

With that said:

The carrier is stable until 200 degrees Centigrade. After that you can release Hydrogen Flouride gas which is very corrosive and toxic. But like I said, you only have to worry about that if you are exposing the product before being applied to high heat.

The surfactants manufacturer says in their MSDS. "High temperatures or flames may produce toxic carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and silicon dioxide fumes." It does not tell me what those high temperatures are.

If you need more information, please email me on gene@motosolutions.com

[big rig guy]

up in these parts its moose dung

[2bit]

Originally posted by big rig guy
up in these parts its moose dung it would not be fogging up after that...who would wear it?
an unsuspecting apprentice maybe :D

[themenz]

I just got more information so I wanted to expand on my answer.

FogTech is a blend of carriers and surfactants.

The carrier evaporates in seconds after application leaving a micro-thin layer of the surfactant behind which provides the anti-fog protection.

With that said:

The carrier is non-flammable, non-toxic and has Zero Ozone Depletion Levels. It is stable until 200 degrees C. (392 F.) After that you can release Hydrogen Flouride gas which is very corrosive and toxic. But you only have to worry about that if you are exposing the product to high heat before being applied. So if you dropped a bottle or packet into flames you would get HF.

The surfactant's manufacturer says in their MSDS. "High temperatures or flames may produce toxic carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and silicon dioxide fumes." The manager informed me that temperatures would have to exceed 200 degrees F. And you would need much more than the amount left on a shield to release significant quantities of these fumes.

If you need more information or an MSDS on FogTech, please email me on gene@motosolutions.com

[Franz]

Junk it's good to know those smart pills I sold you are working.
I tried the Canine-American lensesticks, but had to go back to the freshly cut raw onion because Senator Hillopotomous is requiring all fecal matter/canine to be collected and delivered to her campaign headquarters.
A couple months back, we got a request from her for a donation, but since we don't have a canine in residence, the wife sent her an envelope full of feline excrement, since a postpaid envelope was provided.

[OlPilot]

Hey Planet X, I just ordered two - one for my boss, who has borne the slings and arrows of outrageous grinding wheels. I'll letcha' know what I think when we get them.

Franz mentioned the protective film. I have a roll of that stuff courtesy of my son. It's made by 3M, is transparent and can be wet squeeged on, like solar film on windows. In roll form, it goes around compound curves fairly well (within limits). We use this product as pre-molded boots on aircraft radome snoots to prevent erosion from inflight rain and rime ice impact. It's got a degree of resiliancy which absorbs impacts. It lasts for years. It'd be just the ticket to keep away the rock chips on the front fender of your Hog.

[OlPilot]

PlanetX put us on to a good thing. I got those two hoods I mentioned in the previous post. They even survived Franz's favorite carrier, United Parcel Smashers (we like that here at FedEx).

These hoods have excellent quality, are lightweight and very comfortable and have easily adjustable headbands. The Lexan bubble has an anti-fog treatment. The complete hood sell for $17, replacement bubbles for $10, less for both if ordered in quantity. The model no. is IM11-AF6F. They caution that only mild dishwashing soap should be used to clean the bubble and it should air dry. Glass cleaners will remove the anti-fog treatment.

Try[URL=http://www.envirosafetyproducts.com]
if you're interested.

[Planet X]

Originally posted by OlPilot
PlanetX put us on to a good thing. I got those two hoods I mentioned in the previous post. They even survived Franz's favorite carrier, United Parcel Smashers (we like that here at FedEx).

These hoods have excellent quality, are lightweight and very comfortable and have easily adjustable headbands. The Lexan bubble has an anti-fog treatment. The complete hood sell for $17, replacement bubbles for $10, less for both if ordered in quantity. The model no. is IM11-AF6F. They caution that only mild dishwashing soap should be used to clean the bubble and it should air dry. Glass cleaners will remove the anti-fog treatment.

Try[URL=http://www.envirosafetyproducts.com]
if you're interested.

Good to see you like em , mine got put to good use prepping a trailer project I did recently-
I want to try the other shield they had that fits on the headgear and was wondering if you had used it?

[OlPilot]

No, I haven't tried that one yet, so I can't really comment on it. Maybe someone else has.

[Mandau]

old trick using tobacco work all the time just rub it on the ... u get my mean... have a try:)

[tmarks11]

Here is the mask that will solve your fogging problem... Trend Airshield Pro Air circulating face mask... keeps a continuous steam of filtered air over the mask.
http://www.envirosafetyproducts.com/images.php?id=4625&imgtype=L
http://www.envirosafetyproducts.com/product/trend-airshield-pro.html
A steal for only.................... $368 :dizzy:

[Mandau]

Here is the mask that will solve your fogging problem... Trend Airshield Pro Air circulating face mask... keeps a continuous steam of filtered air over the mask.

http://www.envirosafetyproducts.com/product/trend-airshield-pro.html
A steal for only.................... $368 :dizzy:

Thanks for the link... bought a Bionic face hood and AD weld hood over there.:blob2: