what unsafe and or bad habits do you see at work?

[kmaysob]

lets hear them.

1. people welding diesel tanks with not purge or anything. (just drained)
2. using excaliber on rusty,dirty,oily metal
3.running a torch with the act. set to over 30psi
and more when i think of them

[Donald Branscom]

Almost do not know where to start.

One day in the near future you will not be able to just walk into a store and buy a A/O welding rig without any training.

Some of my pet peeves:

People using a 4 inch handgrinder with no guard. Their fingers are literally within 1/4 inch of the wheel.
People welding in the rain.
People welding without gloves.
People using fire extinguishers to hang jackets on.
If the jacket is over the extinguisher you cannot see it.
Not turning off tanks and bleeding them properly.

[Burnit]

After working in a Heavy fab shop (50+ ton parts) morons with overhead cranes really get me. When a very large assembly was moved everything was by the book and it was as safe as we could get it. It was when the "smaller" things were moved that the accidents happened.

The parts still weighs thousands of pounds and these people just didn't know any better.

That was a real problem there. That and forklifts.

I have never walked off of a job except for that place. Back in January I was welding in my area on on assembly that was on a large positioner. The table of the positioner was about 6' off the ground when it was level. I had the assembly on the positioner and it was turned 90 degrees, so the table is now perpendicular to the ground.

I am standing on a stepladder about 6' off the ground, welding. I feel something hit the ladder so I stop and look down. A material handler on a forklift has backed into the ladder I am standing on, He stops, looks over his shoulder at the ladder and continues to back up, pulling the ladder out from under me. I held onto the part I was welding and let the ladder fall.

I jumped down and was just in shock, this moron smiles at me, no big deal.

Now, this company is in the middle of being sued because of some racial type stuff that happened at another plant in New York so they are very touchy about the PC thing.

I am informed by my supervisor that they are looking into what happened but now they have an even bigger problem because when I jumped off of the positioner I
yelled "Im gonna f-ing kill you" This wasn't racial, we're both white but they have to take it seriously.

Now they are concerned about "The threat I made to his life" they tell me. So I packed my box up and left.



Did I over react? :laugh:

[patrickp]

At my last job we had 9 inch grinders with no guards on them. Somebody was always getting cut. One guy got a 4 inch grinder caught in his bottom lip. of course all of the drugs sure didn't help. Stayed like that until OSHA came through and made them put the guards on. And guess what............. all of the grinder accidents dropped off. 75 percent of the people working there was on drugs. Working while higher than a kite. And the kicker is we made shields for longwall coal mines.... Scary thought huh.... bunch of crackheads welding on something that protects miners from being crushed.

[Mondo]

...I packed my box up and left. Did I over react? :laugh:

Not in the least. You are alive and uninjured. You know how Darwinism works: Survival of the Fittest. You have demonstrated you are the fittest by stepping away from a very compromising situation!

A shop like that should have portable railings that can be set up to create "Safety Zones" around places like where you were working. At least a three-foot buffer. Oh sure, this would not be like a bollard that would stop the forklift, but it would at least establish a "no entry" zone. The lift operator should have both the training and the concern for your safety to not enter, or even touch, the safety zone railings. It is obvious that the company's safety officer or committee are unconcerned. You did the right thing by leaving.

-Mondo

[Matthew]

something people do and dont see as dangerous is tack welding all day long with no mask, welding with no gloves, tshirt what not...

people dont realize that constant exposure to UV and IR light Can and probally will give you skin cancer. guys laugh, "look how red my face is haha" you wont be laughing when you look in the mirror and find a tomour on your cheek

matt

[patrickp]

yeah we used 1/16 dual shield wire. I would see people tacking parts all day but just shutting their eyes. next day they would call in with burnt eyes. two days later would be doing the same thing again. And i have seen a person put the trigger lock on with a 9 inch grinder and set it on a table with it still running just to grab a new part.

[mrmikey]

....I would see people tacking parts all day but just shutting their eyes
Not pround of it but I do that constantly, I'm not condoning it at all.
One of the boses at work has his own shop. He's forever taking a 4 1/2" mini grinder and putting a small wood blade on it (made for a biscuit joiner I think) with no guard and cutting aluminum. As if that isn't bad enought the center hole is not quite big enought so he reams it out with a die grinder.
Seen him doing the same thing with a 7 1/4" wood blade and put it on a 7" grinder I kid you not. That's when I decided my visit was over....Mike

[Burnit]

Seen him doing the same thing with a 7 1/4" wood blade and put it on a 7" grinder I kid you not. That's when I decided my visit was over....Mike

Holy ****!!

[mrmikey]

Yeah, couldn't believe it. He kept telling me he uses it all the time but I didn't believe it 'till I seen it myself.....Mike

[drivethruboy54]

i dont have guards on my 4.5" grinders, personally, i think its safer to be able to see the entire wheel and exactly where im cutting than to have the guard obstructing my view of whats going on (especially with cutting wheels, ive had hem bind and break because i couldnt see what was happening because the guard was in my way)

9" grinders i leave the gaurds on, those things are gnarly and normally im laying into something with it, my hands have slipped and gloves and the guard has saved me.

[Donald Branscom]

I just remembered reading an article that said most DEATHS in industry were from forklift accidents.

[Donald Branscom]

After working in a Heavy fab shop (50+ ton parts) morons with overhead cranes really get me. When a very large assembly was moved everything was by the book and it was as safe as we could get it. It was when the "smaller" things were moved that the accidents happened.

The parts still weighs thousands of pounds and these people just didn't know any better.

That was a real problem there. That and forklifts.

I have never walked off of a job except for that place. Back in January I was welding in my area on on assembly that was on a large positioner. The table of the positioner was about 6' off the ground when it was level. I had the assembly on the positioner and it was turned 90 degrees, so the table is now perpendicular to the ground.

I am standing on a stepladder about 6' off the ground, welding. I feel something hit the ladder so I stop and look down. A material handler on a forklift has backed into the ladder I am standing on, He stops, looks over his shoulder at the ladder and continues to back up, pulling the ladder out from under me. I held onto the part I was welding and let the ladder fall.

I jumped down and was just in shock, this moron smiles at me, no big deal.

Now, this company is in the middle of being sued because of some racial type stuff that happened at another plant in New York so they are very touchy about the PC thing.

I am informed by my supervisor that they are looking into what happened but now they have an even bigger problem because when I jumped off of the positioner I
yelled "Im gonna f-ing kill you" This wasn't racial, we're both white but they have to take it seriously.

Now they are concerned about "The threat I made to his life" they tell me. So I packed my box up and left.



Did I over react? :laugh:

Burnit - I agree with what you say. It is good that you left that place.
I was moving a jet engine on a bridge crane in the Air Force when another airman walked under the engine! I told him to NEVER walk under a load and he told me the chains and slings had been tested.
About a week later one of the chains broke and a $300,000 dollar engine was ruined.
Luckily no one was under it.

I knew another guy that red tagged a forklift because it was operating erratically. Later that day a guy tore the tag off of it and used it to lift a molten crucible of bronze. The bronze hit the floor and got into the boots of a fellow worker and severely burned his feet.

[Donald Branscom]

i dont have guards on my 4.5" grinders, personally, i think its safer to be able to see the entire wheel and exactly where im cutting than to have the guard obstructing my view of whats going on (especially with cutting wheels, ive had hem bind and break because i couldnt see what was happening because the guard was in my way)

9" grinders i leave the gaurds on, those things are gnarly and normally im laying into something with it, my hands have slipped and gloves and the guard has saved me.

You can rotate the guard to have the best view.
I know you probably already know that.

[Rojodiablo]

Some bad habits I see: Tools left up on ladders. You move the ladder, and I get a razor knife stuck in my arm, buried into the bone. Nice. All kinds of ladder scandals. I am as guilty as the rest, so I will just say many, many sketchy ladder adventures.Too many guys painting/ grinding/ whatever without masks, or respirators. A mask is nice, but when you spray LP boat paint, you really need a respirator, not a dust mask. Laquer is the same. Wathced a guy crack some stubborn concrete by getting it wet, and then hitting it with a cutting torch down into a hole. Yes, concrete breaks when you do this. It also causes a steam explosion. Good stuff if you are 30ft away...And finally, stuff not tied down to ladder racks. Hit the brakes, watch the steel fly off the truck into traffic. And onto the hood of the truck.

[tanglediver]

I really don't want to get started. A former coworker of mine took a hammer to the skull from it being left up on top of a ladder, had a nice staple put in his scalp to close it up. Air hoses are always being pulled tight with twists and kinks and knots making trip hazards. One guy was riding shotgun on a forklift once when it turned sharply, he was tossed under a wheel, screwed up his knee pretty bad. I watched my brother shoot a nail into his steel toed boot, luckily hit the steel and turned back. I got thrown backwards trying to help an impatient young pup once while trying to carry long peices of steel stock. Landed flat on my back still wearing a full carpenters tool belt and suffered a whiplash because of it. Demolition rubble is virtually never handled well, I've stepped on at least one nail that found my foot.
Rarely do we ever have time to take time to be safe and sane, but there is plenty of time for jobs to be done over again and for doctor visits. But I don't want to get started! :jester:

Time to hit the rack.

[Supe]

The water from the tap on the coffee maker is REALLY hot!

[kmaysob]

heres some more.

the same guy welding on the diesel tank welded d-rings on a forklift to chain down with, using the millermatic 180 at about 1/2 heat. another time he was welding a bracket to hold the hoses on a backhoe, he didnt tack it. so he welds one full side and then tries to get rid of the 1/4'' gap with a bfh and when that doesnt work he just lets it go.

im constantly rewelding the jack stands on out towables because somone in the company(different yard) doesnt know how to weld and is lucky to get a 1/4'' of the bead that actully fused both pieces together.

i honestly think there should be a simple weld test when you start with the company if you want to weld.

[TSOR]

Not pround of it but I do that constantly, I'm not condoning it at all.
One of the boses at work has his own shop. He's forever taking a 4 1/2" mini grinder and putting a small wood blade on it (made for a biscuit joiner I think) with no guard and cutting aluminum. As if that isn't bad enought the center hole is not quite big enought so he reams it out with a die grinder.
Seen him doing the same thing with a 7 1/4" wood blade and put it on a 7" grinder I kid you not. That's when I decided my visit was over....Mike

That's just nuts!

These blades are crazy too. http://www.katools.com/lancelot.html

Guard or not, that's just a injury waiting to happen!

[drivethruboy54]

You can rotate the guard to have the best view.
I know you probably already know that.

yup, regarding the guards on grinders people are either one way or the other. as i said with the little guys i dont like them for most instances. Anything bigger than a 4 1/2" doesnt get messed with

and yes, i have whacked myself a couple times with a grinder, mostly because i wasnt paying attention to what i was doing and rushing to get something done.

i think most injuries with grinders come from improper use, wheels dont normally bind and explode if you are using them correctly.

[Joe H]

Did I over react? :laugh:

Let's see. I, in all likelyhood, wouldn't have said a word.

I would have just jerked him off the forklift by his ears and slapped him silly.

The REALLY sad part is that the guy who knocked your ladder over with a forklift told on you for threatening him. He should have been thankful that you didn't just club his ***.

[Burnit]

wheels dont normally bind and explode if you are using them correctly.

Now ya tell me!

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[lotechman]

Not pround of it but I do that constantly, I'm not condoning it at all.
One of the boses at work has his own shop. He's forever taking a 4 1/2" mini grinder and putting a small wood blade on it (made for a biscuit joiner I think) with no guard and cutting aluminum. As if that isn't bad enought the center hole is not quite big enought so he reams it out with a die grinder.
Seen him doing the same thing with a 7 1/4" wood blade and put it on a 7" grinder I kid you not. That's when I decided my visit was over....Mike

For those that have never seen this it is standard operating procedure for aluminum cutting and backgouging however there are specifically designed carbide tipped wheels for this job that improve cutting and limit grabbing.
Still it is a very dangerous operation and requires full face shield. gloves and hearing protection. I have worked in a large operation with hundreds of men using these tools. Proper training was essential and there were accidents. Some old hands that amazingly have all their digits use a regular skill saw with the base plate removed!!!!!!

[chenry]

last time i saw the osha list forklifts are the number 1 injury and death cause, falling loads are second on death and grinders and the like are second on the injury list.


i had a wire brush on a 9 inch grinder doing some paint removal, no gaurd. it grabbed my un tucked t-shirt and proceeded to make its way to my innards. sheer will and fear kept that thing out of my stomach. you would have though a complete t-shirt would have bogged it down.

last time i used any grinder without a guard.

[duaneb55]

In reading some of the earlier posts I think the most unsafe action some of those individuals have done was to punch the time clock in the morning. Some pretty crazy stuff there.

[patrickp]

i've worked with guys who have taken a plastic bag and filled it with o/a and set it off with a fuse. makes for a pretty loud boom. bosses come a running. i had one boss who work check work after it's done by having the fork lift operator lift it about 7 feet off of the floor and then walk under it. these parts weigh about half a ton. i don't think he has ever seen a hydraulic hose bust before. they always make the dumb ones into bosses. :dizzy:

[Ice Czar]

i dont have guards on my 4.5" grinders, personally, i think its safer to be able to see the entire wheel and exactly where im cutting than to have the guard obstructing my view of whats going on (especially with cutting wheels, ive had hem bind and break because i couldnt see what was happening because the guard was in my way)

9" grinders i leave the gaurds on, those things are gnarly and normally im laying into something with it, my hands have slipped and gloves and the guard has saved me.

pretty much the same here,

only the 9" grinder at the shop dont have guards either, their primary use was being used flat to clean up 1" plate welding tables, only rarely where we hogging out anything with em.

[patrickp]

back in high school i worked for the highway department during the summer. we where cutting out bad spots in the road. we where using a diamond tip concrete saw. foreman walked over stood right in front of it. leaned down to look at it and a small piece of diamond hit him right between the eyes. this was the same guy who walked into a rest area restroom where a toilet was stopped up. he put his hand down into the toilet and said feels like a babies head. sick sick sick

[denrep]

This one bloke, he keeps soldering battery posts.

[patrickp]

denrep..... lol

[DavisJ]

i work in a heavy fab shop in south florida and for the most part everything goes pretty good on saftey but alot of the welders and fitters we have either don't speak english or don't understand it well and i have had more then once had to stop welding and run from my area because a fitter or welder has some very large peice 8 feet off the deck with the overhead crane and is flying it thru the shop and not warning anyone and then they just keep right on going with it i had a fitter transfering a 9ton frame over to my tables one night and he was not paying attention to the weight of the peice and used chains under the weight of the load and as he got it over my table luck no one was by my table because just about 4 feet above the table the chains poped and the peice bent the table i work at and the boss one the shift didn't do anything about it but luckly he got fired when the old boss left and we got a new supervisor

[Fred Paul Jones]

Plastic trash cans in a welding shop. Next time wear no loose clothing.

[drivethruboy54]

we have plastic trash cans, but we dont put hot things in them?

[fewood]

I read this thread last night, late, then I thought about it even later into the early morning.

One thing that is clearly missing is the idea no guard can protect from stupidity or lack of care and training. This has been a pet peve of mine for years. I have been a pro. in the wood and metal arts for close to 30 years and am continually amaised at the lack of training apprentices receive. To this end, when I am giving a talk on safety I stress one major point, guards make you lazy. You stop paying attention when there is a perceived sence of protection. Ever see the Ralph Nader poster of the OSHA CowBoy? THIS IS DANGEROUS WORK. If you don't want to get hurt, don't let your fingers or body get in the way. Always, and I can't stress this enough ensure there is a place for mishaps to go. Meaning if you are up against a wall and something heavy is coming at you, good chance you will be crushed. On the other hand, if you can be off to the side, your ability to guide the potential mishap away from you is much better. Then there are the freak accidents. I was working in a custom furniture shop when one of my contemporaries was setting up a shaper to cut raised panels for 8' maple doors. High Speed Steel blades about 4" long protruding out of the cutter head, total diameter of ±10". He forgot to check the RPM setting before turning on the machine:sleeping:, as the machine was speeding up, I realized it was going to fast for what he was doing and yelled "turn it off just as the knives gave way. I kid you not, I looked down to see if the missing knife was in my gut. We never found one of the knives, about 3/8" thick, 1.5" wide and 4" long and sharp as h***. Not paying attention!!!:angry::sleeping: It is our duty as old timers to teach the uninformed and initiate the un-initiated. To bad it usually happens after the fact....My rant:realmad:

[Fred Paul Jones]

5 gal plastic pal, 1 gallon hyd fluid inside, set ablaze by air gouging 30 feet away. Get rid of plastic trash cans.

[ian_s]

this is going to sound crazy i saw this guy jump from the end of a crane to the top of a building once on a job i thought to myself i would'nt do that **** for any amount of pay.

[ls1ta]

Yell at me, I'm not always in the safe zone.
I sometimes stick weld with no welding jacket on.
When grinding I wear my safety glasses and gloves only...
I need to start wearing a welding cap also. Other than that and the other incident I posted awhile back, its pretty safe.

[daddy]

The best piece of safety equipment is a safe operator.
I intentionally left a baby gate installed in the house where I live, because it is a scissor action/parallelogram type that has pinch points. I survived it, and when I bought the place from my pop, I figured that my kids probably ought to learn not to put their fingers into a pinch point while it just hurts a bit, and doesn't actually remove a digit.
I don't like guards for just the same reason as fewood, the false sense of security.
If you expect the saw to cut your finger off each time you use it, you will have a heck of alot more respect for it.

For what it's worth, I would likely jump from the end of a crane to a building if it was close enough... not much fear of heights, and a healthy knowledge of my limitations.:gunsfirin

[lewray]

Back in my tower days, thats a whole day worth of things, I would see guys riding the load up.

[Bob Warner]

I work for the place OSHA would love to visit. It is a small business and the owner is as cheap as they come.

We do demolition. Not big stuff, two story or smaller and a LOT of interior demo in office buildings.

The owner does not like it when the guys stand on the top rung of the ladder straddling the top and putting a foot on the structural rung on the other side. Granted, this is not smart but the owners method to correct this was to remove the structural rung, ruining the ladder. We have about 10 ladders modified this way.

I moved a dump bed from one truck to another and was up on a ladder preparing to grind a bracket off the bed and the ladder I was on twisted under me and down I went. Broke the L2 vertebra, dislocated my "Tall Finger" and broke my ring finger on my right hand. No workman's comp (not required in Texas) and no benefits.

I was doing a bid on a job that the ceiling had to come down but it was in the lobby of an office building and the ceiling was 32 foot tall. I included into the bid a rental for a 30' man lift. We got the job and the boss figured out a BETTER way to demo the ceiling without renting a man lift. He REALLY said this to me; "We can use the company 24' man lift and put a 6' ladder on it. We can save the cost of renting the other man lift and make more profit."

Welding in the rain came up before also. I was asked to weld a toolbox to the frame of a dump truck on a day that was pouring down rain. I refused and he got mad. I said it was not safe and he told me it was perfectly safe because people weld underwater. I told him that first of all I should not weld on the frame, especially on the frame of a truck that carries that much weight (22 yard dump bed). I also said welding in the rain was not safe for anyone. The underwater guys are specially trained and can keep themselves out of the circuit. They have guys above water turning the juice on and off, etc...... I certainly was not going to weld laying in water with an old, never maintained AC tombstone welder with cracked leads, just not going to happen.

Our 3500# forklift has no brakes, it needs a new master cylinder but it costs to much and can (according to the boss) lift up to 5000# because they always under rate them for safety so use it for anything we got.

I could go on and on and on.


Anyone in Dallas area have any openings? Sure would like to get out of this place.
I don't walk on water but I know where the rocks are.

[drivethruboy54]

I work for the place OSHA would love to visit. It is a small business and the owner is as cheap as they come.

We do demolition. Not big stuff, two story or smaller and a LOT of interior demo in office buildings.

The owner does not like it when the guys stand on the top rung of the ladder straddling the top and putting a foot on the structural rung on the other side. Granted, this is not smart but the owners method to correct this was to remove the structural rung, ruining the ladder. We have about 10 ladders modified this way.

I moved a dump bed from one truck to another and was up on a ladder preparing to grind a bracket off the bed and the ladder I was on twisted under me and down I went. Broke the L2 vertebra, dislocated my "Tall Finger" and broke my ring finger on my right hand. No workman's comp (not required in Texas) and no benefits.

I was doing a bid on a job that the ceiling had to come down but it was in the lobby of an office building and the ceiling was 32 foot tall. I included into the bid a rental for a 30' man lift. We got the job and the boss figured out a BETTER way to demo the ceiling without renting a man lift. He REALLY said this to me; "We can use the company 24' man lift and put a 6' ladder on it. We can save the cost of renting the other man lift and make more profit."

Welding in the rain came up before also. I was asked to weld a toolbox to the frame of a dump truck on a day that was pouring down rain. I refused and he got mad. I said it was not safe and he told me it was perfectly safe because people weld underwater. I told him that first of all I should not weld on the frame, especially on the frame of a truck that carries that much weight (22 yard dump bed). I also said welding in the rain was not safe for anyone. The underwater guys are specially trained and can keep themselves out of the circuit. They have guys above water turning the juice on and off, etc...... I certainly was not going to weld laying in water with an old, never maintained AC tombstone welder with cracked leads, just not going to happen.

Our 3500# forklift has no brakes, it needs a new master cylinder but it costs to much and can (according to the boss) lift up to 5000# because they always under rate them for safety so use it for anything we got.

I could go on and on and on.


Anyone in Dallas area have any openings? Sure would like to get out of this place.
I don't walk on water but I know where the rocks are.

Thats ridiculous, all of it. id walk, its not worth it.

Ive seen some crazy stuff happen in heavy construction (driving pile) and that stuff gets just about as sketchy as it can get.

Dont stand under a load, dont put yourself in a pinch point, keep your eyes on what going on around you, as well as your own work, and know when its not worth it. My life isnt worth any amount of money. Ive seen people get called pussies and told they are chicken sh*t for not doing unsafe things. Its not worth it, a guy in my local had his arms cut off for the hurry up, go faster, skip safety prodedures kind of crap. I like coming home in one peice every night, i dont know about you...

[specter]

Try this one:

We had a guy come over to cut some concrete to put in a wider steel door and frame. Instead of renting a proper concrete cutter. This guy showed up and used a 9" hand held metal grinder. Problem was he took the guard off and put on a 14" diamond blade. Then he starting cutting using no gloves or guard!! The grinder cut off three of his fingers.. He did have his own insurance but not a valid contractors license.

Oh yeah they did manage surgerically sew the fingers back on! His fingers are a bit shorter and he lost most of the feeling in those fingers.

We got the new door installed using another contractor.

[patrickp]

i have always said that they need to give everybody an iq test. those that score below a certain level need to be sterilized. sounds harsh but it would make life a lot easier for other people. but the down side is that would take out 3/4 of washington dc.:p

[katana1150]

At the shop I work in we are currently building a set of trusses for a vertical expansion to an existing building. These trusses weigh in at 96000 lbs (almost 50 tons) each. We have 3 bays with a mix of 5 ton and 10 ton overhead bridge cranes. These trusses are long enought to stretch across the three bays so we built special lifting devices so we could use 4 ten ton cranes, 2 on each end with a 10 ton in the center. Anyway I think you guys are getting the idea, Even thought I wish we had much bigger cranes to do this lift we can do it with realative safety aslong as all operators work in unison.

Well last week this dork of a fabricator had to adjust the horses that are supporting these trusses or something like that (I work afternoon shift, he works dayshift) so instead of utilizing the proper lifting devices that we built he grabs one crane for each end and lifts the truss completely off the horses so he can climb underneath to adjust something, unbelievable!!! this dummy lifts a 50 ton truss with 2 ten ton cranes and then goes underneath to adjust whatever he thought he needed to do. His claim was that he only lifed the truss 2 inches off the horses to adjust the blocking so he thinks he did nothing wrong!

The corprate safety officer was there at the time this happend and he disagreed with him and immediately tagged the cranes out of service. Subsiquent inspection reveled the cables where stretched beyond safety limits and the bearings on one crane were damaged and had to be replaced.

There was some talk about this guy getting written up over this but at this time I have no idea if he has been disiplined. Simple fact of the matter is he should have known better than to do something like that especialy since the company spent time and money building special lifting equipment to make these lifts safe.

[lotechman]

Lifting a 50 ton load with three lift points would be bad enough. I am wondering how you could be sure that the third lifting point is actually doing its job without momentarily overloading the other locations.
I am sure you are in a union shop ... anywhere else and they would rush him to the door.

[man_of_steel]

The company I work for sent me to a local wharf to do some welding for another company doing some repair work. The repair crew wanted some welding done alright. Four 8 inch vertical welds on 15 different wharf piles. I was given the instruction to "make the welds good and heavy" by the site foreman. The platform i was supposed to be welding from was a small raft/barge that was soaking wet, and was constantly being hit with waves. To top it off, the welds started at about water level.

I scratched my head for a second, wondered if they were serious, then spoke to the foreman. Told him i wouldn't be welding there, and would have to speak to my boss and see if they would send out another welder as I felt there were plenty of unsafe work conditions.

In Canada a worker has the right to to refuse work he/she feels to be unsafe. I think the high risk of electrocution is pretty unsafe.

Not so much a bad habit, or something that happens everyday, but definetly not proper procedure.

[Dualie]

I ride my guys pretty hard about most everything. But im the guiltiest one of them about working at height without proper fall suppression.

I have gotten hung up and put in some damn dangerous situations with the fall Suppression harness on. I always forget that my range of motion is severely inhibited.

[Loose07]

We dont have any guards on our grinders at work safty glasses and a sheild do the job plenty well i think, as far a welding in water I used do it quite a bit, the way i started seein it if the boss wants it done that bad he can do it himself or I will wait til some one gets it dried up you get sick of bein shocked pretty quick. I learnin to wear gloves too unitized wheels hurt the hands when they are on the high speed.

[drivethruboy54]

hey dualie, where are you in the bay area?

[Dualie]

well the shop's in east oakland. the house is in san leandro.

[drivethruboy54]

nice, shops in san carlos, apartment is in belmont, workspace is everywhere haha

[Dualie]

Ah the high rent side of the bay.

[drivethruboy54]

haha sky high indeed