Look what I found under the bed

[lewray]

My father calls and says.."I found some rust under the bed"

Im like 'what"? Looks like its been in Davy Jones locker for 10 years:dizzy::D

86 toyota 4wd Since he still loves his topper, he wont settle for a nice custom flat bed:mad: And yes its only his farm truck

This oughta be fun......:rolleyes:

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/dadstruck-1.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/dadstruck.jpg

[lugweld]

The muffler is holding that thing together. Time for a tube frame and make a rock crawler out of it. Won't your dad be impressed!

[lewray]

The muffler is holding that thing together. Time for a tube frame and make a rock crawler out of it. Won't your dad be impressed!

Oh yeah..lol

LMAO.. didnt know a muffler could look so good.:cool2:

[farmersamm]

Is there any possibility you can come up with a newer frame?

I'm definitely not an expert on frames, but it looks like it can't be rebuilt. Even the part that hasn't holed yet might have many mils gone from rust. Getting to clean metal would take even more.

Maybe a rear clip assy.?

[farmersamm]

But if it never goes on the highway, Hell why not have a go at it. Couldn't hurt.

[tanglediver]

At least it ain't got termites as well!! :D
:gunsfirin

[lewray]

Is there any possibility you can come up with a newer frame?

I'm definitely not an expert on frames, but it looks like it can't be rebuilt. Even the part that hasn't holed yet might have many mils gone from rust. Getting to clean metal would take even more.

Maybe a rear clip assy.?

Only got the pics today. Havent seen it yet since he took the bed off.

Dont know if I feel like foolin with it or not:sleeping:

Who knows...he does love this ole rag though

[farmersamm]

I'm the same with my old Dodge. Thankfully it was made with a standard channel ladder frame that doesn't collect moisture.

[farmersamm]

At least it ain't got termites as well!! :D
:gunsfirin

The old bodies were aaaalmost indestructable:)

It looks like an old Anglia, or maybe Victoria, or maybe I'm just doin' some wishful thinkin'. The were beautiful cars.

[Billdacat]

In the medical profession they say DNR.....(Do Not Resuscitate):angel:
Let it go into the bright light of the junk yard...

[G3farms]

lewray, not sure where in tn you are, but there is a toyota junk yard in vonore that deals only in toyota trucks. the name is whites auto sales, 1726 hwy. 411, 423-884-6075. i know nothing of them except where they are. maybe you could find a frame there.

hth
G3

[lugweld]

Tube it!! Tube it!! Show off your welding prowess and let us all be in awe.

[agwelder_dal]

hey or u could back half it like we do in building a baja truck u can still put the original bed on it the only thing is u may have to find some rectangular tubing and just keep it straight instead of the bends it will work and tell ur dad to put a flat bed on it would make his life so much easier especially at early morning feeds(hate loading my truck wt the bed on it especially since the stacks get screwed up

[lewray]

Trust me I want to tube it like I did my FJ and some others, however, money and time are key players here.

If I go ahead and tube it, I still have to put on the new bed which he has not found yet and put the topper on. So stock will have to be the way to go. I would like to turn it into another crawler though:D

When my father brings it down, I'll know what to do with it. I already know what hes going to say, " I dont care how you do it just make sure my bed and topper are on when your done". :waving:

[lewray]

lewray, not sure where in tn you are, but there is a toyota junk yard in vonore that deals only in toyota trucks. the name is whites auto sales, 1726 hwy. 411, 423-884-6075. i know nothing of them except where they are. maybe you could find a frame there.

hth
G3

Gfarms, thanks so much Im calling them now. We found a bed in Jamestown...not too bad of shape for 400$ full of thick nasty primer. We let it go because we felt the rust was playing hide and seek.

[Rojodiablo]

Lewray, it ain't what you found under the bed. It's what you DIDN'T find under the bed. Meaning...steel. Where did the steel go to???!!!

[FormerTankSarge]

What Bed?:dizzy: Muffler looks great compared to everything else.

Looks like it's been in salt water for years. :)

I agree Do NOT resuscitate!:drinkup:

[lewray]

Lewray, it ain't what you found under the bed. It's what you DIDN'T find under the bed. Meaning...steel. Where did the steel go to???!!!

I dont know...its gone into thin air I quess:angel:

[holger]

Nothing a little bondo couldn't patch up, no? :p

Holger

[captdave2612]

At least it ain't got termites as well!! :D
:gunsfirin

It looks like a few 12 or 16 gauge termites to me. :gunsfirin x :drinkup: = :D

[Skwerly]

Wow, did that thing run and drive like that? One wrong punch on the throttle, and that truck could dissentigrate!

[farmersamm]

I hope you do take it on. I would like to see how it's done. I've never done anything like it, and I'm pretty sure I might not have the skill to do it. It would be a good thing to learn by watching.

[specter]

Wow that looks worse than the Flying Dutchman that capt Jack Sparrow was on! At least that ship floated when davy jones wasn't using it as a submarine.

And this truck was in TN? and it rusted like that??

Tubing can be expensive. My advice a good burial. If that doesn't work for your dad you might try looking around some construction sites where they are demo a building and see if you can dig up some freebie steel such as l-Beam.

[lugweld]

Never let a good truck or family member die! You owe it to that truck to let it live.

Don't pull the plug.:nono:

[Rod Stick]

You may want to view this URL: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/07/toyota-extends-rust-warranty-on-older-tacoma-pickups-to-15-years/ and see what Toyota will do for you.

BTW, this is my first post. I've been lurking for a while looking at the projects. I just welded a license plate holder for my front receiver hitch on Tuesday. I have an old, old Marquette AC welder (the one with the two columns of taps) that was given to me. I recently wired up the 50A circuit and got everything working.:blob4:

Jeff

Edit: Ooops, just added '86 and 15 and came up with less than '08. But the link may be helpful for other owners.

[lewray]

You may want to view this URL: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/07/toyota-extends-rust-warranty-on-older-tacoma-pickups-to-15-years/ and see what Toyota will do for you.

BTW, this is my first post. I've been lurking for a while looking at the projects. I just welded a license plate holder for my front receiver hitch on Tuesday. I have an old, old Marquette AC welder (the one with the two columns of taps) that was given to me. I recently wired up the 50A circuit and got everything working.:blob4:

Jeff

Edit: Ooops, just added '86 and 15 and came up with less than '08. But the link may be helpful for other owners.


Welcome to the board:)

thanks for the Toyota link

My lady friend's Toyota truck falls into that

As far as the rusted out truck of my father's, I havent seen it yet (with the bed off) . Probably tow it it over here in the next few weeks so I'll know what to do about it soon. It will be a good project for sure if I can salvage it. Going to take some time though, but Dec is always good stuff like this.

[KRS]

Living in Arizona... I guess I'm not used to rust damage like that !!!

KRS

[lewray]

I picked up the truck last weekend end and have been working on it a little bit here and there.

I was hoping not to find any bad places under the cab...but wouldnt you know it:rolleyes:

I removed the tank and got to cutting and grinding only to find more work. Looks like its going to stay here for a while.

here are some picks. I just want a solid frame base now so I can cut the rest of the frame off .


http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/DSC01595.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/DSC01579.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/DSC01580.jpg

As of now? I have only scratched the surace.:dizzy:

[denrep]

Wow... Hard to believe the torsion bar anchor didn't twist out.

[lewray]

Wow... Hard to believe the torsion bar anchor didn't twist out.

I know. This project is so much on the puke list:(

My dad is definately worth it though.

During my time in the Navy, I bought an old basket case shovel head HD and he built the whole bike for me while I was away. ...So I owe him one.;)

[farmersamm]

I know. This project is so much on the puke list:(

My dad is definately worth it though.

During my time in the Navy, I bought an old basket case shovel head HD and he built the whole bike for me while I was away. ...So I owe him one.;)

That's family man. More folks oughta learn how to live that way

[Craig in Denver]

^^x2. :)

[Jeep07]

Where in TN are you? If your on the east end of the state I will look around for a bed. I trashed a good hilux bed last year.

[overclockedpc]

Is steel that rusty even worth trying to repair? Wouldn't it be faster/stronger to hack the back half of the frame off and replace it?

[rbertalotto]

Aw.........That will just buff right out!

(I'd build a new frame..........)

Good luck with it............And I like your attitude towards your pop :drinkup:

[lewray]

Is steel that rusty even worth trying to repair? Wouldn't it be faster/stronger to hack the back half of the frame off and replace it?


Just pulled the trailer into the home shop (garage) with the steel.

Im going to basically build a new rear section. Oh what fun,:dizzy: The truck is in great shape other than the rear frame. I should have posted pics of the cab and mtr to show its worth saving.

The real kicker is, my friend has a close to perfect frame in a field about 7 miles away to give me. but..... the land has no access. One has to enter another land owners property to get to it. That land owner seems to suffer from a mental disability and wont let anyone through to get to the vehicles. "land locked'? I think is the term:(

Yeah what a mess.

Im pretty busy and I dont really know when I'll be done. I'll try and post pics when I make some progress.

[lewray]

I have been working on this as much as I can lately.
The new frame rails have been cut and tacked together. Hopefully tomorro I can get them welded up . The rails so far have come together well with the angles I need and are pretty true.

As you can see, my camera's flash took a dump so the pics are not as good as I would like but hope to resolve that later in the week. I'll post more when I do.


http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/DSC01632.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/DSC01600.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/DSC01655.jpg

[farmersamm]

Were you able to match the original size tubing, or did you have to go with a standard size tubing. I can't tell by the pictures

[lewray]

Were you able to match the original size tubing, or did you have to go with a standard size tubing. I can't tell by the pictures

Yeah standard size 2x4. I didnt feel the need for getting them formed at the machine shop at the time. I would if the truck was worth it though.

[farmersamm]

This is one I've really wanted to watch. I've never seen it done before.

So, now you'll have to build out(best word I could come up with) points along the standard tubing in order to mount axles, hangers etc.?

[lewray]

This is one I've really wanted to watch. I've never seen it done before.

So, now you'll have to build out(best word I could come up with) points along the standard tubing in order to mount axles, hangers etc.?

Maybe the hangers. I wont know till I get to cutting. The hangers are not too bad to make.

Actually I should be able to clean up most parts.

[farmersamm]

That's what scares me. All the suspension geometry, and other stuff in order to make the stock items fit properly.

I see the templates. Are they made prior to cutting the old frame off?

[lewray]

Theres around 20 hrs in measurements before the first cut. Im pleased with the geometry so far. The very rough mock up was dead on. It will be close when I start to butt them up for sure.:dizzy:

Pinion angle, bed height, ect have been recorded.

I really debated posting this one because SO MANY way of doing it.

[farmersamm]

I hope ya get the flash fixed, or another camera.

I'll be asking a lot of stupid questions:D

[farmersamm]

Speakin' of which. Are you going to do the level/plumb bob thing, or work of a known surface on the existing frame?

[lewray]

I hope ya get the flash fixed, or another camera.

I'll be asking a lot of stupid questions:D


Getting a piece of good frame to weld to was not easy. I was not happy with the prior pics of the scab I did earlier so that got wacked. Its not goin to be fancy. Going to TIG up the new frame sections hopefully soon. And get that dang camera:cry::angry:

[farmersamm]

Sounds good. I'd like to see how you go about keeping everything square, and at the proper angle.

Seems like one hell of a hard thing to do.

[Burnit]

I really debated posting this one because SO MANY way of doing it.

I've had that feeling before. We're all watching Lewray..........no pressure :laugh:

[trailgoose]

Lewray, I am Land Man for an oil Company here in Northern Texas, Your friend has the right to have access to his land no matter whats in front of it. No way, can a guy stop you from coming on YOUR land even if you have to drive through his to get to it. I would either go out there and just do it, or go to the courthouse and get it settled out, but thats rediculous. May have differnent laws where you live, but here thats how it is. I deal with these people everyday and its ussually ends up well, but sometimes you have to deal with guys like this. Just my 2 cents.

[MoonRise]

Ay, re: the landlocked land.

There usually are (always are?) utility and/or access easements, even to 'landlocked' land. Check.

Waiting to see how it all turns out, too.

[Billdacat]

Give the quack a gift certificate to your local Wall-Mart. Attach a letter with instruction to redeem the gift certificate at time and date that you intend to remove the truck. This will get your quack out of the way with out any hassles. The quack does not need to know of your alternate intentions. You could also leave the gift certificate at the service desk in his name in case he doesn't take the bait. :blob2:

[farmersamm]

It's always a balancing act dealing with some guys. Some get pretty whacko when it comes to comin' on their land. Doesn't matter what the law is.

If the guy has some problems, it's a matter of how well ya know him, his family, and other folks that might know him. Sometimes it's better to let sleeping dogs lie(lay?). It can get pretty tricky.

Sometimes it gives ya good conversation over a few beers around the back of the pickup sittin' in the driveway:laugh: Providing nobody got hurt:laugh:

Seen it happen.

[lewray]

It's always a balancing act dealing with some guys. Some get pretty whacko when it comes to comin' on their land. Doesn't matter what the law is.

If the guy has some problems, it's a matter of how well ya know him, his family, and other folks that might know him. Sometimes it's better to let sleeping dogs lie(lay?). It can get pretty tricky.

Sometimes it gives ya good conversation over a few beers around the back of the pickup sittin' in the driveway:laugh: Providing nobody got hurt:laugh:

Seen it happen.

Guys ...Im glad you feel our frustration and it is frustrating because, like maybe some of you, we do lots of trading with trucks and parts. This remote area is like our secret "ace in the hole" for parts found for our rigs. I got a gooseneck trailer that needs some repair too over there:rolleyes::confused:

Sam is right ..
sometimes its best to just talk about it over some brew till this guy takes his meds..lol
Dont want to rock the boat.

Actually this is a whole other topic in itself. We think because my friend hasn't been there in like 8 months the guy has forgotten about the purchase:laugh: Anyway like I said its another topic.:p

[lewray]

Here are the new rear frame rails so far.

My new trusty cannon camera comes in handy.

Hopefully I can butt them up soon to the truck :)

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/dadsframe002.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/dadsframe003.jpg

There was a little fight with distortion, but both seem to within 1/16"

I'll add some scabs a bit later. (fishy plates) :p and cut some gussets too

Cant wait to start putting on brackets and getting this thing going. Got to get it done .:blob2:

[David R]

Looks really good, but..... NO PICS of the WELDS? I see a tig pedal on the floor, that is all... :(

Whatta Project!

David

[farmersamm]

Hey, you're cookin' now.

1/16 distortion isn't bad if you can compensate down the road when you start hangin' stuff on the frame, or attach the frame I guess. There's always some distortion. The key is to know to look for it so it doesn't come up and bite ya in the butt down the road. (Gee, this don't fit??)(Scratchin' head and azz at same time..multi tasking:laugh:)

BTW... Where do y'all get such nice shiny steel? Pretty uptown:jester::drinkup:

[lewray]

Here are a few. I dont claim to be a great tigger:dizzy:

The second pass or the cap stagger like we see and Zap does very well, is something I've been trying to work on recently. So be gentle:rolleyes:

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/IMG_0055.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/IMG_0054.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/DSC01686.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/DSC01687.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/DSC01688.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/DSC01689.jpg

I could have GMAWed so much faster and would have had some great welds, but I thought I would have a good look at things using TIG.:laugh:

[lewray]

Hey, you're cookin' now.

1/16 distortion isn't bad if you can compensate down the road when you start hangin' stuff on the frame, or attach the frame I guess. There's always some distortion. The key is to know to look for it so it doesn't come up and bite ya in the butt down the road. (Gee, this don't fit??)(Scratchin' head and azz at same time..multi tasking:laugh:)

BTW... Where do y'all get such nice shiny steel? Pretty uptown:jester::drinkup:

Ordered it from Siskin Steel. One day delivery:)

Up close its not as shiny,but at least its not rusty. Gosh NO MORE RUST!:laugh:

[farmersamm]

I wonder if, what with the wide washed bead, if you are really gonna need fishplates? I've had good luck with a wide wash cap where I didn't want to add any other material. Of course, the stuff I've done this with isn't goin' down the road with my Dad in it.

[lewray]

Back working on the truck. Had a good Christmas and New Years so back to the grind (steel,rust,and dust) :dizzy:

The rear frame rails are almost done. The gussets,hangers,cross members, and body mounts will make them mostly complete. The body mounts will be the last probably.

Heres some pics of the ever evolving yota:eek:


http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/IMG_0072.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/IMG_0008.jpg
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[LanceM]

Sweet skills man, looking forward to some more pic's :D

[farmersamm]

This is an exciting project. It's 99% out of position welding. You can't flip the damn truck over.

I'm always in awe of the structural guys for the same reason.

Keep 'em comin':cool2::cool2:

[lewray]

Hers a couple more. This is an ugly hanger:eek:

So far Im still some what happy with the fit up.


http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/IMG_0067.jpg

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/IMG_0004.jpg

The gussets are next. Hopefully tomorrow night theyll be done.

[Tractapac]

I'm enjoying your yota resurrection. I've got an FJ that's proving to be biodegradable fortunately it's all above frame (last time I looked!). Don't have to worry about leaks now as they go straight through.

However it's a project for the future.

Keep up the good work.:waving:

[farmersamm]

What is the blue tape for?? Indexing or positioning or:confused:

[lewray]

What is the blue tape for?? Indexing or positioning or:confused:


I got blue tape coming out my ears:p.

Always using it for marking and placing notes almost like a blue-print style sticky note.

I marked the floor with it for reference points like body mount measurements, wheelbase and centering the wheel hubs and spline points on the drive shaft. The sharpy chrome colored pen works well for my color blinded eyes :laugh:.
__________________

[lewray]

Been busy with this thing now for a time. It looks like not much has changed from pics, but its coming along.

Heres a few recent ones with the front hangers and rear cross member.

Now to fight that tank assembly:realmad:

I had to make the rear hangers because the old ones were just too far gone:angel:


http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/IMG_0029.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/IMG_0028.jpg
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[henrym]

wow! looks like a "fun" project. I can honestly say that I have found bits of logging machinery in the woods from 70 years ago with comparable rust damage... why don't you overhaul the differential while your at it :laugh:


seriously good work. how did you position the new rails with the rest of the frame?

I look forward to updates. keep it up!

[reefera4m]

Only problem with this project is now my sons want me to start one just like it ;):drinkup::drinkup:

Great job.

[lewray]

Thanks..

I've been busy lately so not much has been done. Plan on getting lots done today.

The new frame rails were tough to line up level and square;however, what actually made it easier, was using the axle and springs. Since I got lucky as he!! with the transition and measurements of the new rails, all I had to do was rest them on the axle leafs and use shims with some jackstands and the fit up was pretty much perfect. Now it did take several hrs before I was happy enough and decided to lay down the first weld.:rolleyes:

Now the new gas tank mounts are almost done and I'll probably take forever deciding if I'm happy enough to weld that in today...gosh I gots to get this thing done...tired of lookin at it:p

[lewray]

Heres what I got done as of today. Cab is bolted down to the new welded mounts, what a pain by the way, by yourself

Truck is now on its own weight and everything looks good and level; however, I did try to have the rear up a little to compensate for the bed weight. Pinion angle is at 9 1/2 degrees like I found it.

Finally got the freakin gas tank mount made and welded. Fits really well, very happy about that one. As you can see, I had to order the pump assembly for tank..!

On the home stretch on this one. Getting ready to add the bed soon.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/IMG_0036.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/IMG_0033.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/IMG_0032.jpg

[farmersamm]

Really like the new hangers. Is it tubing that's been notched, cut, and bent??

Some kind of different way they have of mounting the gas tank. That's a really good feeling when the bolt holes line up I'll bet. All "air" measurements to go by. I can see the reason for the massive supply of blue tape.

Looks like a deal where you look, measure, think, look again, measure, then spend maybe 30 minutes actually committing it to the weld. It's pretty traumatic stuff.

Looks great

[lewray]

Really like the new hangers. Is it tubing that's been notched, cut, and bent??

Some kind of different way they have of mounting the gas tank. That's a really good feeling when the bolt holes line up I'll bet. All "air" measurements to go by. I can see the reason for the massive supply of blue tape.

Looks like a deal where you look, measure, think, look again, measure, then spend maybe 30 minutes actually committing it to the weld. It's pretty traumatic stuff.

Looks great

Sam your one smart fellow, that is to appreciate the "air measurements" and yes sometimes it can get traumatic staring and staring at tacked welds before being satisfied.:laugh: blue painters tape...thats the secret

The tube I bent and notched. I couldnt think of a stronger more practicle way of making that side of the mount. The whole idea of that bracket is it has to be suspended and out of the way of axle and drive shaft. That way I didnt have to make a bunch of right angle pieces with lots of welds, I just bent the tube.

[lewray]

Been busy as ever, I know no excuse, but here some progress.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/IMG_0051.jpg


http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/IMG_0050.jpg


http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/IMG_0036.jpg

[lewray]

Look Sam no more blue tape:p

Finally black paint. Brakes are somewhat bled, I think I need to get a new master cylinder. Truck started right up like there was nothing to it. I wanted to drive it down the road but not till I know where I stand on these dang brakes.


http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/IMG_0055.jpg

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/IMG_0052.jpg

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb226/nojeep/IMG_0043.jpg

[Joker11]

Sweet. I love it!

I bet you will be glad when it's out of the garage.

[lewray]

Thanks Joker, I actually drove it. Started right up, still not too sure about the brakes. I think it just needs pads and possibly a master cylinder.

Its been never-ending for sure. My dad will be happy when he gets his hunting dogs loaded up and takes it out again. He raises and sells mountain currs to folks all over the country and he says wants to show off his revived truck at the next curr show and meet.:cool:

Getting close......