Product Test Offer

[specter]

Well folks I was asked to try out and compare a EverLast 60amp plasma cutter. I agree to test it and even compare it to my Hypertherm PowerMax 45 amp plasma cutter.

To be fair to Simon after my try & failure of the Longevity Force Cut 80 amp plasma cutter. I would like to offer to perform the same test of a Longevity 60 plasma cutter. Both manufacturers cutters would be tested against the manufacturers specs, against each other and finally against the my 45 amp plasma cutter. Both would aslo be subjected to the tests and photos as described in my reply to EverLast. EverLast as already agreed to the testing conditions and the conditions of the test as described below.

Yesterday, 09:33 PM
specter
WeldingWeb Foreman Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Dansville NY/Ft Myers FL
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HONEST Evaluation of New 60 plasma cutter

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OK folks that have been here for awhile know of my continuing saga with the Chinese Plasma Cutters. I went thru Two companies plasma cutters a grand total of four cutters. The first company sent me the wrong product and it did not meet my requirements so I got a refund. The second company sent me unit after unit! A total of three (3) and each one had loose wire upon receipt and when reconnected and powered up the units blew the Mosfets.

Now I did not say who the two companies were because at this time I do not think I have to since its a matter of record on each of their forums.

In the past I offered to do an Honest evaluation when one of the two to offer up a new unit.

Well Everlast has come forward to me and asked for a FAIR evaluation of their product and I agreed. Here is a copy of my reply to Oleg.

Hi Ya Alex,

I thought I had sent you my address in a previous email but here goes:

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I will be gone to Eglin AFB, FL and the Pensacola Naval Base FL for the next couple of days for business. I will be back on Thursday evening.

Your test will be Fair. It will start with picture of unit received in box, then with box open. A picture of all the box contents,picture of unit assembled (I assume this unit comes with an electrical plug), picture of the unit case open to show circuitary & quality. A description of the manual or lack of a manual. The amount of and qualiity of consumables (both before and after use).

Then we get to the actual performance where I compare it against its specifications. There will be pictures showing before cut and after cut. Comparison of kerf of the cut along with any dross.

Once the test is completed you may instruct me as to what you want to do with this unit. As stated before !! You send it prepaid . If you want me to keep it so be it! If you want me to donate it to charity so your company gets the tax deduction so be it It would be donated in Everlasts Name and you will receive the paperwork necessary for the tax deduction. If you want the unit back then you prepay the return postage.

This will be an Honest & Fair Evaulation of the product.

Tom


Oleg only asked the right to be able to control certain of the pictures for release since it is a new product and he doesn't want to give the competition an edge. Fair Enough
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Own farm:Harris oxyacy torch, lincoln 225, stick,Century 135GL mig, Hypertherm PowerMax 45 Plasma Cutter
Co-Own CNC shop:Miller :1251 plasma cutter, MaxStar 700 TIG/Stick, & XMT 456 Multiprocess Welder.Hypertherm HPR260 Plasma Cutter

This same offer and conditions are made to Longevity.

Tom

[rwells173]

Tom, I am very curious to see how they stack up against your pm 45. I think you will be lucky if they are both in working order. let us know how you make out...........Rich

[specter]

Hi Ya Rick long time no talk too. I guess you have been busy with your new toys.

Well if you get down to it I basically already tested the ForceCut 80 in posts #26 and on of the Following thread http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php?t=24079&page=2

But I am giving Longevity the benefit of doubt by offering to test their new 60 amp plasma cutter against its own specs, the spec's of my 45 amp plasma cutter and other manufacturers new 60 amp plasma cutters.

[longevity-inc.com]

Tom,

We are excited for the challenge. We will be able to send you a unit on Monday. We will also test video the same unit we are sending you so there are no problems and it will show the unit is fully functional.

We will need a contract signed that the unit will be returned within 30days or give you an option of a buy out.

Thanks for the opportunity,

Simon

[specter]

No Problem getting it back within 30 days. Just remember the conditions of the test you pay to send and pay to return do you agree to that?

[longevity-inc.com]

Tom,

Just giving you an update. Your unit will be shipped on Monday via express. It will be a HF unit that you can take pictures of and it is a unit that we currently sell to our customers. You are getting the Longevity 60amp cutter with the new mosfets inside and you will have 10days for testing once it arrives. Of course, we will cover the return shipping charges.

I apologize for the delay in shipment as we had a high number of orders recently and are a bit behind testing our other customer orders.

Thanks,

Simon

[specter]

Well I have been wondering what happened to that you unit you were sending.

What happened to the "We will need a contract signed that the unit will be returned within 30days or give you an option of a buy out" now its only ten days & no contract?.

Not sure you really what to send another mosfet unit please remember I already went thru 3 mosfet units that had a combo of loose wires and mosfets that blew apart. After all what happens if you send this 4th unit and it does the same when I plug it in and use it? Will I be liable for the damage? If so do not send!!! Ask anybody about by Hypertherm test on my PowerMax 45 I exceeded specs by 50% in part of the performance test to try to duplicate Hypertherms FabTech performance. But in this evaluation & test you only go up against your own specs as well as the Everlast & Hypertherm 45 amp specs.

Everlast sent their unit with no limitations, contract or sales buy out :on the test period and understood in a test some normal use and even damage may occur.This was described as a Non-Soft test, your unit to be evaluated against all its specifiications and be put up against both the Everlast unit and my Hypertherm PowerMax 45 (yes a 45 amp cutter against both companies 60 amp units.

I just got back from surgery on my right foot up at Bay Pines VA Medical Center where they replaces the joints in my right big toe as well as shaving the bone on the side of that foot. I am going to be off my feet for about a week. Once I see the doctors in a week I'll know better when I'll be able to perform the full test on the units.

[Brianstick]

I don't know if those chinese machines are any good or not, but I do know that $600.00 is a lot of money to spend to be disappointed!

[specter]

Well I was giving him the benefit of doubt to sent one for evaluation and testing. I do not know if his machines have changed since November.

Who knows Brian you might buy one have nothing but good luck. But when performing an evaluation and test against their published specs who knows. Good luck in whatever unit you choose.

[Brianstick]

I am a reluctant to buy from any manufacturer that uses smoke and mirrors in their product descriptions and specifications.

[dakook]

As I alluded to in the Everlast thread. The fact that both Everlast and Longevity know in advance that the units they have sent to you are going to be tested and publicly evaluated, make this evaluation highly dubious. As they know the units are going to be tested, there is the chance they could of "fluffed and buffed" them before sending them to you. A better method would have been to buy the units anonomously and then tested and posted your evaluation.

[Hammack_Welding]

Well, I've been away from the forums for awhile now, and I can see that things are still as they used to be. lol

[specter]

Well Brian when we all buy something there is always that risk buying anything.

That may be true Dakook but I am just a shop owner not Consumer Reports or UnderWriter's Laboratory (UL). I already have a Hypertherm PowerMax 45 amp Plasma Cutter that I am vey happy with . I bought the Hypertherm PowerMax for my own personal use for my farm.

Tom

[dakook]

That may be true Dakook but I am just a shop owner not Consumer Reports or UnderWriter's Laboratory (UL). I already have a Hypertherm PowerMax 45 amp Plasma Cutter that I am vey happy with . I bought the Hypertherm PowerMax for my own personal use for my farm.

Tom

I don't doubt your sencerity in this, but you did say you wanted to do a fair evaluation. You have one manufacture, Hypertherm, who had no idea that their unit was going to be evaluated. Against two, Everlast and Longevity, who were fully aware that the units they were sending to you were going to be tested and evaluated. That doesn't seem fair to me.

[David R]

Hypertherm doesn't care. It will hold up and already has.

David :)

[specter]

Jim Colt of Hypertherm is fully aware of the evaluation & test. He is sending me an extra set of consumables incase I use up my existing set. Jim even suggested some of the tests I will be using. For those that attended FabTech and saw the PowerMax 45 in action you know what it will do
Your properly right about if not seeming fair to put the two of them up against a Hypertherm. But each unit is being tested against their own performance specifications and then those results compared against each other. You'll be able to see the cuts on each sample of metal side by side ie 3 cuts in 1/2" steel edge start 1 cut per manufacturer. ie 3 cuts in 1/2' steel pierce cut from center of steel. That is an example of the test.

[Stack of Dimes]

I am a reluctant to buy from any manufacturer that uses smoke and mirrors in their product descriptions and specifications.

Smoking is bad for you. My mom says so.