Hobart Iron Man 210?????

[daman]

Can anyone tell me about this model,looking at one with very little use he says,whats the units capability's,can it do 1/4"? any problems with this unit???


here's a pic of the welder

http://images.craigslist.org/3k03p03l25O95Ta5Rda21023b4cd03c681fe6.jpg

http://images.craigslist.org/3me3o13pb5Tf5P75Saa21034b45784cb11969.jpg

[Broccoli1]

They are solid units.

What is the price?

http://www.hobartwelders.com/om/0900/o927l_hob.pdf

[daman]

He's asking $1400,reasonable???

[DSW]

As said they are decent machines. They are rated at 3/8" with both solid wire 75/25 gas and FC wire.

[daman]

what are these machines worth in good condition?

i found another one hardly used also same model with tank auto darking shield 50 ft extension cord for $1000,pull the trigger on it???

[Broccoli1]

A new Ironman 230 is only $1,489.00

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_47864_47864


$1,400.00 for an Ironman 210 is WAY too much:dizzy::dizzy:

[daman]

A new Ironman 230 is only $1,489.00

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_47864_47864


$1,400.00 for an Ironman 210 is WAY too much:dizzy::dizzy:
thanks i thought so too,,

whats your thoughts on this one..

i found another one hardly used also same model with tank auto darking shield 50 ft extension cord for $1000,pull the trigger on it???

[Broccoli1]

Getting to a more realistic price as the Bottle will run you around 150+ depending on size.

What type of stuff do you want to do?

Light Hobby
Heavy Hobby

Small side biz

[daman]

thanks..

Heavy Hobby,auto,tractor repair,etc,my own fixing, i just want a heavy one because who knows what the future brings,i always like going a little bigger/heavier then i need.

so $1000 sounds good?

here's the one for a grand;

http://images.craigslist.org/3k33p23l55O95R95S2a2e0616c8b83bc11320.jpg

http://images.craigslist.org/3k33pb3le5T55P15Saa2edd5d19d739dd1536.jpg

[Broccoli1]

If it is advertised for 1000.00 offer 900.00

You can get a new Handler 210 that is pretty close to the same specs as the Ironman 210
for under 900.00

I don't know if the Ironman offers that much more-
Rated output is 150amps on both
IM 210 40% duty Cycle
HH210 is 30%

Even Heavy Hobby you probably won't be hitting the duty cycle anyway.

[Broccoli1]

http://www.hobartwelders.com/weldtalk/showthread.php?t=36437


talks about the HH210 and the IM 210

[daman]

thanks for your post,good info..i think it may be worth it that 50 ft cord is not cheap and like you said the bottle is pricey also and it's 3/4 full,along with the auto darking helmet.

[lucky1968]

Airgas on there web has new millermatic 212's for $1345 plus $7 shipping. There the tapped version not the autoselect ones but they still have the 3yr warrenty. Goto airgas's web site.

[Dan]

The Ironman 210 will handle 1/4". If I had plans of welding thicker then 1/4" though, I'd be looking for a unit that provided more power. In a recent Hobart unit, this would be either an Ironman 250 or their current Ironman 230. I'd go with an Ironman 230 over the 250.

[daman]

Can you get the 230 over the counter like Lowes etc anyplace? hate waiting for shipping like to just walk in and buy.

[daman]

thanks

[daman]

Well i found my welder, checking prices through a local welding suppler i ordered up a new Hobart ironman 230 for $1400 out the door,i think i did good on the price. :cool2:

This machine is a 60% duty cycle @ 175 Amps Welds 24-gauge to 1/2in steel in a single pass,so it sounds like a winner to me,should be all the machine and more for what i'll be doing.

thoughts?????

[Broccoli1]

Thoughts??? you already bought it... whatya wanna hear? :laugh::laugh:

[daman]

Well it's ordered can always say no :D

thoughts on the price is what i guess i was getting at? every other place i looked wanted 1489-1420 so i believe i found it the cheapest i can.

seems like a great machine,thanks for all your imput it was helpful.

[Dan]

$1400 sounds like a very fair price for an IM 230. I field tested this unit for close to a year, and was very pleased with its overall performance. Truthfully though, I don't consider it a single pass 1/2" unit. It does however offer plenty of power to handle 1/2" in multiple passes. On 14 ga - 1/4" mild steel, and .030 ER 70S-6 wire performs very well as a general purpose wire size. C-25 would be my recommendation for shielding gas.

If you get the arc dialed in properly, with C-25, this unit will produce near spatter free welds in the low to mid voltage range of short circuit transfer , and very light spatter in the upper voltage range of short circuit transfer

Attached are a couple sample weld pics on 1/8". The first is a horizontal lap joint with V tap #4. The second is a horizontal T joint with V tap #5.

[daman]

Thanks for your reply Dan and the pics looks good :eek:,,I'm just starting out this will be my first home welder I've read some of your posts already and gathered some knowledge,i planed on using .030 as i probably will be welding 1/4" and under 90% of the time with 10% of the time thicker plate.

a few questions you mention you don't consider it a single pass 1/2" unit,why is that? penetration isn't as good as you'd like to see?

and you say C-25 would be your recommendation for shielding gas is this the same as a 75/25 Argon mix or?,and this would work for general welding? as i have no plans on doing Aluminum right now.

I'm pleased with the price for sure.

[DSW]

Dan, those are beautiful mig welds. Thats exactly like what guys should expect nice ones to look like.

daman, Usually to get 1/2" single pass you'd have to have the machine near max, and you will run into duty cycle issues fairly quick. If you turn down the heat a bit (at about what it would take to do 3/8 SP), and make multi pass welds, you can usually stay under the duty cycle limits and weld non stop. Also they are usually talking about 1/2" single pass in a filet weld, or groove weld not a butt weld.

Yes C25 is just another term for 75/25. It's fine for most general welding.

[daman]

Ahh ok yes makes sense,cant wait to get this unit and try it out thanks DSW,

are there any links you could point me to that mentions the wiring requirement and breakers needed for this unit,i think I'm heavy enough but want to make sure.

[DSW]

http://www.hobartwelders.com/om/6digit/o235281a_hob.pdf


Section 3-13 says it wants a 40 amp breaker, minimum wire 10g. 10g sounds a bit light for a 40 amp breaker to me, but it's what Hobarts table says. I'd just wire for a 50 amp breaker which is 6g or 8g IIRC. I'd have to dig out my elect tables to be sure on 50 amp.

[LT99]

I recently purchased an Ironman 230 from a farm supply store. They had to order it but it didn't take long to arrive. Their regular price was $1499 but when I asked if they could do better the manager said he would check it out. A couple of days later he called and said the best they could do was $1275. Total with sales tax was $1381 and no shipping charge. I bought it !

I looked at the Ironman 210 units for a long time but when I learned about the newer 230 I decided to wait until they were available. The test reports that Dan supplied concerning this welder helped greatly with making my decision. I was also considering a Miller 252 but the Ironman 230 was a better choice for me. The microprocessor controls in the MM252 are nice but I wanted a simpler system that would be easier to handle if repairs are needed. It seems to me that twelve voltage taps are more than enough to dial in what is needed and simple to adjust.

The first time I used the Ironman 230 I was REALLY impressed with how well it worked. My test welds were on 20 gauge, 1/8" and 1/4" steel with .030 Radnor ER70S-6 wire and C25 gas. The weld beads were beautiful and it only took a few minutes to get used to this new welder. Most of my welding experience has been building assembly fixtures for the products I make and I've always used TIG. Now I'm moving into MIG and learning fast. I like it and it's so much faster than my TIG unit.

This new Ironman 230 was well worth the investment and I want to thank Dan again for all of his comments and test reports.

Tom

[daman]

I was thinking 50amp breaker i like being on the high side i have 8g wire ran now with 40amp breaker,thanks for the link.

[daman]

I recently purchased an Ironman 230 from a farm supply store. They had to order it but it didn't take long to arrive. Their regular price was $1499 but when I asked if they could do better the manager said he would check it out. A couple of days later he called and said the best they could do was $1275. Total with sales tax was $1381 and no shipping charge. I bought it !

I looked at the Ironman 210 units for a long time but when I learned about the newer 230 I decided to wait until they were available. The test reports that Dan supplied concerning this welder helped greatly with making my decision. I was also considering a Miller 252 but the Ironman 230 was a better choice for me. The microprocessor controls in the MM252 are nice but I wanted a simpler system that would be easier to handle if repairs are needed. It seems to me that twelve voltage taps are more than enough to dial in what is needed and simple to adjust.

The first time I used the Ironman 230 I was REALLY impressed with how well it worked. My test welds were on 20 gauge, 1/8" and 1/4" steel with .030 Radnor ER70S-6 wire and C25 gas. The weld beads were beautiful and it only took a few minutes to get used to this new welder. Most of my welding experience has been building assembly fixtures for the products I make and I've always used TIG. Now I'm moving into MIG and learning fast. I like it and it's so much faster than my TIG unit.

This new Ironman 230 was well worth the investment and I want to thank Dan again for all of his comments and test reports.

Tom
Really? that is a steel, my local tractor supply company quoted me 1499 + tax and on line was a little cheaper but not that much,I'm impressed with the machine and i don't even own it yet Dan's reviews were very convincing that this will be all the machine I'll ever need.

I'm glad i bought this one over the used one's i posted above thanks to the information from this site.

[Dan]

It seems to me that twelve voltage taps are more than enough to dial in what is needed and simple to adjust.

Tom,

In my testing of the unit, I came to the conclusion that the 12 output ranges, did a good job of covering the output power range of the IM 230. Meaning that the distance in output power between taps was close enough that there were no noticable holes where I was wishing I had another tap in between to choose from.

[LT99]

daman- That price surprised me as well and I've not seen another Ironman 230 sell for that. I should also mention that when the welder arrived and was unpacked there was a very small cosmetic defect on one of the sheet metal covers. I called Hobart and spoke with a gentleman named Bill who handles tech support and warranty calls. It really wasn't that big of a deal but they sent a new part that arrived just a few days later. I'm very impressed with how they handled this.

I told Bill a little about the type of work I do and it turned out that we had similar backgrounds in electronics. We talked for quite awhile about the Hobart line of equipment and Bill filled me in on the company history which was quite interesting. I actually felt like I was taking too much of his time but he said it was ok as he didn't have any other calls at the time. He wanted to know how I decided to to buy a Hobart welder and I told him what influenced me the most were the discussions and reports that Dan had provided on the forums. He was glad to hear that and I assured him that Hobart will do quite well with the new Ironman 230.

Dan- Printed on the shipping carton for this Ironman 230 welder was something about having enough power for "spray transfer". So while I was testing this welder I cranked it up almost all the way and there wasn't the "frying" sound at all but it did make a "hissing" noise and that thing was laying down metal so fast I couldn't believe what I was seeing. This was on 1/4" steel with .030 wire and C25 gas. Was that spray transfer? My research indicated that I needed a higher argon content to go into spray mode. Either way it was pretty impressive to see something like that after mainly using TIG for so many years. My work will probably never require that much power but it's nice to know it's available if needed.

Tom

[daman]

Thanks Tom for posting thats very interesting and good to know consumer service should be good,glad to read i made the right purchase cant wait to get some hands on so i can post my own results.