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akpolaris

08-23-2011, 01:14 AM

Much nicer to have an extended eave to work underneath, especially is site drainage is in question
Ed mac,
Do you need the hip roof?
Why drain roof water in front of the doors that you're likely to be working around?

Good Luck

WeldingMachine

08-23-2011, 05:41 AM

Congrats Ed :drinkup:

speedfreak87

08-23-2011, 07:49 AM

Nice, when can I move in?

ToolBoxTavern

08-23-2011, 09:26 AM

Congrats. Dont forget the pics.

Cant wait till I build mine. I would have to have one a minimum of about 20 feet by 40 feet with 14 foot doors on each side so I could drive my tractor trailer thru it and gutters to collect rain water for our garden and / or animals. Just thinking out loud. For every 1,000 square feet of roof 1 inch of rain makes 600 gallons of water.

Oh yea, and a bathroom with a sink, toilet, and a standup shower.

One more thing and this is a must the fridge for the beer.

AndyA

08-23-2011, 09:48 AM

That's not going to be big enough...... just kidding, Congrats

cant tell the dimensions....

It doesn't matter. Once it's built, it's never big enough.:laugh:

I asked my wife "Can I have a shop like that?" while we were driving by the Rubbermaid plant that's around 1000'x1000' under one roof. She just looked at me.

g-man

08-23-2011, 01:57 PM

If you make it a gable roof you could leave it vaulted and have plenty of height, and would let you put a larger door. save some cash too.

nachche

08-23-2011, 03:47 PM

congrats and good luck!
do you have a plan for the inside?( where you gonna put everything...)

scorpiontm

08-23-2011, 04:04 PM

One thing i would put into the plan is a good sized roof exhaust fan and a good filter box for the welding fumes! You can never have to much ventilation in a welding shop!

Bob the Welder

08-23-2011, 06:53 PM

Quite a few comments and questions regarding the choice of a hip roof over a gable roof. You have to remember that ed mac lives (I believe) in Florida and a hip roof is just about the best design for withstanding high (hurricane force) winds. Wouldn't be surprised if many zoning laws require them, or an equally wind resistant design, in all new construction. Should be real nice when finished.

ThorsHammer

08-23-2011, 07:08 PM

it's never big enough.

"thats what she said"

sorry couldn't help myself.

:drinkup:Kegorator and brewing station will be a requirement for my next shop. but I'll probably be required to get a different wife:help: before I would be allowed a new/larger shop.

just remember PPPPPP (Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance). plan you shop layout before you put anything in. that way you know where you need everything, and you can figure out the best arrangement to allow you easy access to everthing. Don't forget to plan for the future, and what you plan on getting but don't have the funds at the moment save you headaches down the road.

Country Metals

08-24-2011, 07:02 PM

I agree with at least 10' a ceiling. i am currently working in a 21x32 garage that has a sloped roof coming off of a 32x48 barn. The tapered roof is nice and when you have a 3' table and building something 4' tall, you have 7' and you need room for lights and what not.

g-man

08-24-2011, 08:21 PM

"thats what she said"

sorry couldn't help myself.

:drinkup:Kegorator and brewing station will be a requirement for my next shop. but I'll probably be required to get a different wife:help: before I would be allowed a new/larger shop.

just remember PPPPPP (Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance). plan you shop layout before you put anything in. that way you know where you need everything, and you can figure out the best arrangement to allow you easy access to everthing. Don't forget to plan for the future, and what you plan on getting but don't have the funds at the moment save you headaches down the road.

that would be Prior Proper Planing PPPPPPP 7 P's

kolot

08-25-2011, 08:28 PM

I also cast 1 vote for a gable roof, easier to frame, or just use trusses. puts water away from your door and increases your headroom and or loft storage. Bottom line is it is your shop, you should do with it as you please and no matter what roof it should be a great work space. Let's see some pictures when it's done. Luck.

Fegenbush

08-25-2011, 11:10 PM

I can't seem to find something on the drawing. Is it not required in your jurisdiction?

forhire

08-26-2011, 02:01 AM

I can't seem to find something on the drawing. Is it not required in your jurisdiction?

I can't speak for FL or KY. But here in WA we can still do stuff provided it is under a certain size and within the prescriptive requirements of the code. :cool:

When are plans required to be stamped by an architect or engineer?
• The following plans would be required to be stamped by a Washington State registered engineer architect:
o Plans for a new building greater than 4000 square feet
o Plans for the alteration of or addition to a building greater than 4000 square feet
o Plans for an addition that will bring the total building area over 4000 square feet
o Plans for a residential building that contains more than 4 dwelling units
• Tenant improvements are not required to be stamped as long as the occupancy classification is not changing
• All structural design (or engineering) regardless of the size of the building is required to be stamped, unless it falls within the prescriptive requirements of the code.

ThorsHammer

08-26-2011, 03:43 AM

Wa also tries to rape you on the permit costs. thus the biggest reason my shop is so small. Original plan was to go 24'x16' but the permit alone would have been over a grand.

Fegenbush

08-26-2011, 08:01 AM

forhire and ThorsHammer:

WA also has a supplemental exam (state specific) required for a structural engineering license. Here's the breakdown of what is required:

-Four year degree from an ABET accredited school
-Pass 8 hour FE/EIT exam
-Work a minimum of 4 years under a licensed PE/SE
-Apply to take SE exam (requires multiple PE/SE references)
-Pass 16 hour SE exam
-Pass 8 hour WA state specific exam

Then you get the privilege of paying the state annually for a license and then there's the E&O insurance. It's kind of a pain, but it is worth it to be able to perform structural design work.

ed mac

08-27-2011, 09:16 PM

i started out with a 20x20 wood garage then 20x24 and so on
i wanted a gable roof but with the codes here the hip was the same price
and a lot stonger. so i will have to put up some gutters on each end.
im trying to keep it under 35k and if i didnt have to spend $2800.00
on a culvert i would have gone 12' or more high
the general contractor has the sealed drawings

Arclight

08-28-2011, 10:34 PM

I'd definitely recommend framing in a place for a large exhaust fan. Our ~1,100 ft^2 shop has a skylight with a 36" fan (something like 3500cfm) below it, and you can weld or burn anywhere in the place and the fumes go right up and away from the operator.

Arclight

ed mac

12-29-2011, 06:16 PM

thanks guys moving in. electric and driveway will be done next week

FunnyDream

12-30-2011, 01:50 AM

Beautiful new shop. That floor will not stay that nice looking.

Looks like a gable roof. Thought it was a hip roof.

Kinda like to see more pics of the building. Inside and Out.

Aquafire

12-30-2011, 03:24 AM

Is that floor polished or painted? epoxy?

DSW

12-30-2011, 05:50 AM

Is that floor polished or painted? epoxy?

Covered in post 163 or so in his build thread. Looks like stain on a hard trowel finish. Floor actually looks smoother than I'd have guessed from the original bare crete picts in the build thread. Floor is probably going to be slick if you get oil on it.

http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php?t=60876&page=7

Had to go back and look for it.

joebie

12-30-2011, 07:43 AM

I dig it! I would love one of these on my property big time.

Jake98

12-30-2011, 08:16 AM

Looks like a gable roof. Thought it was a hip roof.

Some of the pics must be from moving out of the old shop, I'm confused too. That 4' overhang is what hurricanes look for on craigslist..

Fegenbush

12-30-2011, 08:21 AM

Jake,

WRT the 4' overhang, it has a lot to do with the year built (edition of code) and height of the building.

I do wish Ed would have called me before getting the plans, not that he knew, but I had plans already done for a 25' x 38' x 14' to eave building that I could have modified only slightly to meet FL code. The floor of that place is a thing of beauty even though the owner didn't want me to go a full 12" on the slab.

Jake98

12-30-2011, 08:37 AM

Jake,

I could have modified only slightly to meet FL code.

You're kidding, right??
His plans look like Dade Co. code, at least from what I remember from working down there in the 70's..

37ford4dr

12-30-2011, 10:51 AM

looks great, i had a 24x34 garage on my last house and it was the sweet spot......just the right size. enjoy

Fegenbush

12-30-2011, 06:10 PM

You're kidding, right??
His plans look like Dade Co. code, at least from what I remember from working down there in the 70's..

I'm crappin' you negative.

I have a PE license and can (and have) stamped building drawings. That's why I said I have a design... It is mine and I have the calcs to back it up. I just need an excuse to get a FL license. Should only take a couple weeks once I send them money and the application.

graniteguy

01-01-2012, 11:16 PM

Nice shop, Ed. Plenty of room.

DavidSim

01-02-2012, 01:23 PM

Very nice job, enjoy.

NHMatt

01-02-2012, 07:44 PM

What is a ballpark cost for something that size?

37ford4dr

01-03-2012, 04:15 PM

that is a sweet garage....i guess the electrical will be conduit mounted on the cinder block, .i took a bunch of time laying out the electrical for my much smaller shop and garage and i have an outlet at chest height on every other stud all the way around the garage. Alternating the circuits..took three different circuits to do it....it was the best move i ever made.