sa-200 troubles

[kromewldr]

Recently purchased a sa-200. Believe model to be a 77 but not sure on how to indentify. motor is not original (told by previous owner) but now for the fun stuff, motor runs (great oil pressure, little blow-by) but carb (zenith, br2-210 only thing on carb) needs rebuilt, no way to identify it. welder doesn't make any power output, but need carb rebuilt so I can get the local generator repair man to figure this machine out. any help would be very,very helpful

[lorenzo]

Probably an old zenith up draft.... any local carb shop should be able to rebuild it for short money.

[kromewldr]

thanks, but up here in the sticks, well we don't have anyone around that does that. would accomplish myself if I could figure out which model it is, have it torn down soaking in chemical carb cleaner hopefully something will pop up...thanks again

[lorenzo]

well if you can't find out anything ups to a guy in my area that used to rebuild mine. If you need I can get you the information.

[kromewldr]

that would be great if I could at least talk to the gentleman, my e-mail is kromewldr@yahoo.com if you could find time to e-mail his # and i"ll see if he can help. thanks lorenzo

[lorenzo]

pm sent

[kromewldr]

thanks

[TozziWelding]

NAPA can get you the carb kit, I just ordered one for my Marvel carb.

[Planewelder]

These engines are common in tractors and are easy to find parts for. I'd bet Tractor Supply stocks a carb kit. I'm going to have to find out soon cause I have to rebuild the carb on my Big 40 Miller, which uses the same engine.

[Brad Blazer]

Mine has a Marvel - Schebler carburetor. I can't remember if I got the kit at Auto Zone or Advance but I was really surprised they had it. Mine hadn't been running in 25 years and had quit welding back then.

I used scotchbrite to clean the commutators. The little one on the end powered the grinder outlet but still no weld. I removed the sheet metal band covering the big commutator and it was not only severly tarnished but the brush holders had corroded and the brushes couldn't move. There was mouse nest residue in there! I took them apart and cleaned them up, I had to make a new retainer band for one of them out of sheet metal. The brushes themselves were in great shape. When I got it back together it welded great!

Brad

[kromewldr]

thanks to all that responded, took some doing but I got a kit from advanced auto, carb should be done soaking by weekend, so we'll get the old girl going then

[lorenzo]

Good.... hope it works out for you.

[Root Pass]

Check out www.weldmart.com they are very helpful with trouble shooting and they have a free cd catalogue. The fella named Larry talked me through checking the idle solonoid and had it diagnosed likity-split. Great bunch of guys.
I just rebuilt mine (Marvel) with a 23$ kit from NAPA. Do like Brad Brazer says when yoou get it running and you might have to "re excite" the exciters if it has not been welded with in a while. weld mart can tell you how.
Good luck. I will use my SA 200 over my 2 year old Miller Trailblazer 350 Diesel every chance I get!!

[TozziWelding]

I hear that my SA-200 gets more arc time than my Trailblazer. I was very sad today the SA-200 ran out of gas(been on the job all week) and I had to finish up with the Miller.

[DGB]

Recently purchased a sa-200. Believe model to be a 77 but not sure on how to indentify.
welder doesn't make any power output, but need carb rebuilt so I can get the local generator repair man to figure this machine out. any help would be very,very helpful

I don't know if you have the time during the business day or want to pay for the LD call but you can reach Lincoln at the number below. Ask for customer service and tech support on engine driven welders, you can also e-mail them. Try sending an e-mail to Bob_Crow@lincolnelectric.com

The Lincoln Electric Company
22801 St. Clair Ave.
Cleveland, OH 44117
General Telephone: 216.481.8100
General Fax: 216.486.1751

You will need to give them the whole model number. It will probably be SA-200-F-163 if your machine was made in '77. You will also need the code number and serial number. If the face plate is original it should have all that info on it. If it is a replacement plate I believe it will have something in the serial number space that starts with "R". It also will help to tell them if it is a long or short hood machine. If you cant find a serial number or code number they can tell you where to look for numbers stamped on the generator. The more info you give them the more they can answer your questions. As for the carb, most of the Continental engines had Zeniths but they were a lot like Lincoln that they dealt with different suppliers. A lot of auto supply places that have their own repair and rebuild shops will be able to help you with parts for the engine. Those continental four bangers were used in tractors, forklifts, on well drilling rigs, and WWII Jeeps. They must have made millions of them and parts and service are still available even though the old Red Seal engines are history. If you can get the carb apart without destroying gaskets you can probably just clean it and reassemble it. They are really a simple unit. You might also try looking around online for forums on old tractors and engines for help.

I have rebuilt several of the SA-200s. I have three of them to restore sitting outside my shop now. If you need more help or info feel free to send a personal message or use my e-mail address in my profile.

[DGB]

I have to rebuild the carb on my Big 40 Miller, which uses the same engine.

This is a bit off topic for the Lincoln forum but I just noticed you mentioned having a BIG 40 Miller with the Continental engine. I just acquired one and I am trying to get documentation on it. Take a look at the Miller forum and check out the threads MILLER MYSTERY MACHINE and BIG 40. If you have any suggestions or comments you can use the private message feature or use my e-mail address from my profile.