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    Re: We Need An SA-200 Info/FAQ Sticky

    I don't think it's been mentioned yet but here it goes. To save yourself the same problem of sourcing a new crank pulley cause no matter what you did yours got bent in the process of removal. Take a 5/8" nut and weld it directly to the crank pulley after removing the crank pulley nut. Then take a piece of 5/8" all thread that matches the nut threads and thread it all the way in til it bottoms out. Weld another nut on the end of that and hit it with an impact gun. Never bend another crank pulley again. Once the pulley is off cut the nut off and grind it smooth.
    1973 Lincoln SA 200, Already replaced shunt coils, Idle board (SOLD)
    1984 Miller Dialarc 250HF, Miller water cooler, 250 AMP water cooled torch, you know the worx.

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    (I posted this on a site for old cars first)

    If you have an orphan with a waterpump that needs fixing, and you can't get a kit for it, contact Bob Lawrence in Albany, Oregon.

    The waterpump on the old Continental F162 flathead four that powers my 1954 Lincoln SA200 shorthood welder needed fixing or replacing. I couldn't locate a rebuild kit, and re-man pumps were selling for $115 to $150 or more, plus frieght. I was starting to dismantle the pump to see if I could just make do with bearings and seals and home-made gaskets, when my machine-shop-owning pal said to phone Bob in Oregon. "Forty five bucks, and give me eight or nine bucks for freight," said Bob. He did my pump in one day, did a great job which included a new shaft and a mounting gasket. My shop guy says everybody he refers to Bob is happy with the work and the service.

    I tried to give Bob a small tip. He wouldn't take it.

    Titan Rebuilders, Inc. Water pumps, starters, alternators.
    755 E Water St
    Albany, OR 97321

    Tel. (503) 926-6709

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    Anyone have a source for the Marvel TSX gaskets on their own (the one between the 2 cast halves)? Can't find a reliable source for that gasket individually. Anyone cut their own?

    Bruce

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    needed a new fuel strainer / filter with shutoff valve part for my 69 redface , went to tractor supply with the old one and got an exact copy of it , looks identical and installed perfectly.

    part # 0237021 $29.99
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    Quote Originally Posted by old jupiter View Post
    (I posted this on a site for old cars first)

    If you have an orphan with a waterpump that needs fixing, and you can't get a kit for it, contact Bob Lawrence in Albany, Oregon.

    The waterpump on the old Continental F162 flathead four that powers my 1954 Lincoln SA200 shorthood welder needed fixing or replacing. I couldn't locate a rebuild kit, and re-man pumps were selling for $115 to $150 or more, plus frieght. I was starting to dismantle the pump to see if I could just make do with bearings and seals and home-made gaskets, when my machine-shop-owning pal said to phone Bob in Oregon. "Forty five bucks, and give me eight or nine bucks for freight," said Bob. He did my pump in one day, did a great job which included a new shaft and a mounting gasket. My shop guy says everybody he refers to Bob is happy with the work and the service.

    I tried to give Bob a small tip. He wouldn't take it.

    Titan Rebuilders, Inc. Water pumps, starters, alternators.
    755 E Water St
    Albany, OR 97321

    Tel. (503) 926-6709
    Mr. Lawrence is top notch quality people. Great service and few his equal when it comes to being helpful. Can supply the parts for or rebuild your water pump. Does alternator and starter work too. No carburetors though.

    Area code listed by old jupiter is obsolete though. Should be 541. Give him a call.
    MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1
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    Re: F163 parts - online sources?

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    The early F163 engines used two left tanged rod bearings and two right hand tanged rod bearings. The later F163 rod bearings were all right hand tanged. They won't interchange. Also some had different thickness piston rings. Same bore but different thicknesses. Probably best to look at them and measure. I don't know where the year break was between them.
    1960 Redface SA-200 F 162
    1973 Black face SA-200 F 163 with 5" chop
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    Size-Diameter 5/16" 3/8" 7/16" 1/2" 9/16" 5/8"
    Cylinder Heads ..... 35-.lO 70-75 100-110 130-140 145-155
    Main Bearing Caps _. :~5-.10 70-75 85-95 110-120 I d0-150
    Connecting Rods 20-25 .lo-.15 55-60 90-100 110-120
    Flywheels 20-25 35-40 70-75 85-95 100-110 145-155
    Manifolds 15-20 25-3(I 40-50 50-60 50-60 (;0-70
    Rear Covers, Water Pumps,
    Front and Rear End Plates 15-20 25-30 50-55 80-90
    Oil Pans 12-16 12-16 .............................
    Flywheel IIousings 15-20 25-30 50-55 80-90 115-125 _
    Camshaft Nut
    Thread Size
    (;.I. Shafts
    Forged Steel Shafts
    Elastic Stop Nut w.’C.1.
    or Forged Steel Shaft
    ¾" ?h" 1" 1%" 1 ¼"
    65-7O_# 7()-8()~- 95-100:~ 125-130-~. 115-15(Igg
    l, 175-180-~
    *When Cam Gear Governor is used with a steel camshaft, torque cam nut to 85-90~
    \
    Those are the torque specs for the different bolt sizes.

    Chris

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    Torque Specifications for Cylinder Head
    Tightening Sequence in Foot Pounds
    Size - Diameter
    3/8 7/16 1/2 9/16 5/8
    Cylinder Heads
    35-40 70-75 100-110 130-140 145-155
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    Re: We Need An SA-200 Info/FAQ Sticky

    These are threads that contain valuable information about rebuilding or maintaining the SA 200 that I think need included in the sticky thread. The only way I could figure out how to do this is to copy & paste the links to the threads here.

    SA 200 Disassembly
    http://www.aws.org/cgi-bin/mwf/topic_show.pl?tid=19023

    Removing the Exciter
    http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php...citer+armature

    Operation & OCV
    http://www.aws.org/cgi-bin/mwf/topic_show.pl?tid=27707

    Front Main Seal & Speedy Sleeve
    http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php...200+front+seal

    1 Wire Alternator & Wiring
    page 2 starting post # 44
    http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php...200+front+seal

    PC Board Differences
    post # 31
    http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php...hlight=200+ocv

    Worn Armature Commentator
    http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php...hlight=200+ocv

    Pierce Governor Tear Down & Rebuild
    http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php...vernor+rebuild

    Hoof Governor Maintenance
    http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php...vernor+rebuild

    R-57 Idler Wiring
    http://www.aws.org/cgi-bin/mwf/topic_show.pl?tid=29002

    Grind Eze Wiring
    http://www.aws.org/cgi-bin/mwf/topic_show.pl?tid=30413

    Remote Rheostat Wiring
    http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php...emote+rheostat
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    . . . and don't forget about ones such as these:

    F-162/163 Water Pump Rebuild
    http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php...ght=water+pump

    Exhaust Manifold Stud Removal/Replacement
    http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php?t=97111

    Proper T-stat Installation
    http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php?t=83131

    . . . to name a few more.
    MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1
    Syncrowave 180SD
    Bobcat 225G Plus - LP/NG
    MUTT Suitcase Wirefeeder
    WC-1S/Spoolmatic 1
    HF-251D-1
    PakMaster 100XL
    '68 Red Face Code #6633 project
    Star Jet 21-110

    4 out of the 5 voices in my head say "Go for it".

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    I knew there were more, search function doesn't get along well with me. I was lucky to find what I did! I think we all need to add whatever threads we believe are relevant, what we have here is quite a selection of great information.
    Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize we cannot eat money.
    -Cree Indian Proverb

    SA 200 Lincoln
    Victor Torches

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomasg990 View Post
    Do you know thepoints setting for the SA200 . I dont know the year I just got it and I am tring to get it going .
    A paper cigarette pack will be work for a feeler guage in a bind...couldn't get her started the day of a test.Closed points to that after a quick clean with emery cloth and never looked at again for months.

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    rebuilding a 64 SA 200 can anyone tell me what idler control update is the best? i'm also wondering if i should stay with oil bath or upgrade air filter system

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    Quote Originally Posted by tignot View Post
    rebuilding a 64 SA 200 can anyone tell me what idler control update is the best? i'm also wondering if i should stay with oil bath or upgrade air filter system
    ----------------------------------
    Changing out the original oil bath air filter will lower the re-sale value of your machine. If you upgrade the air cleaner, hang on to the original. It's worth it's weight in gold at re-sale time.
    Lincoln SA200's... at least 15 - 20. They come and go. Growing partial to the "Short Hoods" in my old age. Last count on Short Hoods was 13 in possession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Avison View Post
    Anyone have a source for the Marvel TSX gaskets on their own (the one between the 2 cast halves)? Can't find a reliable source for that gasket individually. Anyone cut their own?

    Bruce
    -----------------

    Look around here. He sells individual parts.

    http://www.mcdonaldcarb.com/category_s/73.htm
    Lincoln SA200's... at least 15 - 20. They come and go. Growing partial to the "Short Hoods" in my old age. Last count on Short Hoods was 13 in possession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hobohilton View Post
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    Changing out the original oil bath air filter will lower the re-sale value of your machine. If you upgrade the air cleaner, hang on to the original. It's worth it's weight in gold at re-sale time.
    ok i appreciate the info, thnx alot DT

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    does anyone have any ideas, or advice on how to and how much you con chop a sa 200 and keep the original fan? some told about 5" i think . DT

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    Carb kit for ZENITH carb, SA 200 green light machine. NAPA 2-1565.

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    If you want "hard to find" info-all the little crap and scraps of info that nobody seems to know about or if they know they won't share with you; check out this link:

    http://www.weldmart.com/main/technical/index.htm

    Everything on the page is free, you can download it, print it off, and use it. This guy has the best replacement idle board on the market-2 year warranty and LED's to tell if the board is working or not.

    I have stopped using "cheap" idle boards from Weldtron and cheap crap boards from that guy in Lousiana. My comebacks have gone away.

    Good Luck from an Old Fart Mechanic

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    Quote Originally Posted by 60redfacer View Post
    pl747
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    Re: F163 parts - online sources?

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The early F163 engines used two left tanged rod bearings and two right hand tanged rod bearings. The later F163 rod bearings were all right hand tanged. They won't interchange. Also some had different thickness piston rings. Same bore but different thicknesses. Probably best to look at them and measure. I don't know where the year break was between them.
    Partner you have a F-162 engine-not a F163. Lower end parts are getting harder and harder to find. There are no new camshafts for the welder engines (FYI-they were all cast iron and if you torque the nut to 70pounds-like the manual says-they shear off-torque them to 25pounds and use some good thread lock.

    You might try Chris or Larry @ Weldmart (1-800-460-6474) www.weldmart.com
    or Bill @ Bill's Welder Repair in OK.

    Make sure you have the crankbearing shell in front of you and know what size you need. IF you haven't measured the crankshaft bearings and are going back with standard size. Save you money and go the Las Vegas-the money will last longer and you'll have more fun.

    Get rid of that crap oil bath air cleaner-an old dirty sock with do a better job! I will not warrant and engine rebuild with the oilbath air cleaner on the engine!

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    In post #67 I goofed on the Radiator cap, Murray 7007 is for a thermostat housing gasket.

    Radiator cap is a Stant # 10206 and fits the 60's Red face machines, maybe others.
    "Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum"

    Lincoln Ideal Arc 250 AC/DC, Miller 300 Syncrowave, Millermatic 251, 30A spool gun, Lincoln MP 210, (2) Lincoln Weldanpower 225 CV, Few SA 200's, SAM 400, OA Torch, Portaband,
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    In reference to post #34 - the hand drawing showing plug wire order for the Fairbanks-Morse magneto - the mag end of this wire order is not correct for my Fairbanks-Morse mag. The drawing shows the #1 tower as being the top inner tower, but my cap is marked #1 on the top outer tower. If you hook your F-M mag up according to post #34 and you get a no-start, look closer at your cap for a "1" marking, and use that as your guide, going clockwise in a 1-3-4-2 order.

    This is assuming you've timed off of cylinder #4 as the manual says to.
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    Just found a source for modern spec, braided cloth covered wire.
    http://brillman.com/store/12-gauge-c...ided-wire.html
    They have a lot of other cool stuff there too.

    Alaska Marty

    I coppied this from another post of mine, thought it would help out in the sticky.
    Lincoln SA-200 code 4816
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    Just opened up the fairbanks X mag to change points & condenser, noticed I need cap and rotor too. I also noticed there was some oil in the bottom of the area where the points are, there is a gasket between the points cover and the mag body, it would be nice to get a new one of these too.

    Does anyone have numbers I can use to start my search?
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    Quote Originally Posted by duaneb55 View Post
    Mr. Lawrence is top notch quality people. Great service and few his equal when it comes to being helpful. Can supply the parts for or rebuild your water pump. Does alternator and starter work too. No carburetors though.

    Area code listed by old jupiter is obsolete though. Should be 541. Give him a call.
    Update:

    It was reported to me that Bob Lawrence at Titan Rebuilders has closed up shop. No idea why but a great source for F-162/163 water pump rebuild kits and rebuilds is apparently gone.

    That said, here's another one that I recommend - http://www.waterpumpkit.com/home.html (John Hudson).

    Complete kit runs only $49.50 and comes with the new style one piece seal. If you don't already have one, John will include a seal installation tool to assure getting it positioned on the shaft and seated in the pump housing correctly

    Kit also includes 4 new rear cover screws but their bolt holes in the pump housing have to be countersunk to accept them as the bolts aren't relieved at the shank same as the originals. The proper size countersink works best but the appropriate drill bit would do the job in a pinch.

    Kit impeller is a stamped steel version rather than cast, 1 new bearing retainer snap ring and the necessary cover and block gaskets round out the kit.
    MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1
    Syncrowave 180SD
    Bobcat 225G Plus - LP/NG
    MUTT Suitcase Wirefeeder
    WC-1S/Spoolmatic 1
    HF-251D-1
    PakMaster 100XL
    '68 Red Face Code #6633 project
    Star Jet 21-110

    4 out of the 5 voices in my head say "Go for it".

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