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    New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    We are starting a new build and were are going to document it from start to finish.

    Its going to consist of a 4x8 iplasma table from Precision Plasma
    Water table using GreenCut fluid
    Hypertherm Powermax 65 cutter
    Dragon Cut electronics package from CandCNC

    Were using Corel Draw x6, SheetCam and Mach3
    We are also going to be featuring and demoing products from Cascade Metal Designs and Steel F/X

    We are going to upload updates as often as we can we also have a website dedicated to the build that you can follow:

    Check it out: http://www.cncplasmabuild.com

    We expect to brake the crate open in the morning and start building the table.
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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    If your building it then why are you taking it out of a crate? or are you bolting a kit together?
    Last edited by brucer; 08-03-2012 at 09:09 PM.

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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    I unfortunately do not have a foundry where I can make my own steel. So I have to purchase the steel and some of the components then put them together. I was going to bend the 5x10 sheet of 1/8 plate for the water table by hand but decided to get someone to do it for me. Some assembly, fabrication required.
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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    I did a bunch of work getting the water pan set. Precision Plasma the manufacture of the table provided plans for fabricating the water table. I modified the plans a little.

    I went with 1/8 plate formed into a pan using their dimensions to fit the table. Their plans included an integrated slat holder that was plasma cut in to the plate then a 120 degree bend used to form a lip. No one in my area could plasma cut a sheet over 4 x 8 nor could they bend a 120 bend on top of the 180 bend. So I opted to use their alternate design.

    I used 1.5 x 1.5 angle welded along the edge with 3/16 gaps.

    They specified 3.5 in 1/8 flat stock for the supports. 3.5 inch flat stock is crazy expensive at almost $40 a stick and i needed 10 for the table. I opted for 2.5 in which was a quarter of the price.

    To make this work I added a 1/2 support to raise the slats up off the floor of the pan and help with fluid flow. I also opted to have the slats sit 1/2 below the rim of the pan.

    I will fill the table 2.5 inches deep and have 1/2 gap between the fluid and the part being cut. I think this will workout ok but its the first time I have done this so we will see.

    Their design did not call for a center support rib but I added one and it made a big difference.

    The slats slip in nice and easy but lock in once in place and I do not get any movement.

    Yes the steel in the drawing is brand new, my steel supplier delivered some very rusty stock and they did not have enough. I hate cleaning brand new things!

    I put more photos on the build website than I could post here: I did a bunch of work getting the water pan set. Precision Plasma the manufacture of the table provided plans for fabricating the water table. I modified the plans a little.

    I went with 1/8 plate formed into a pan using their dimensions to fit the table. Their plans included an integrated slat holder that was plasma cut in to the plate then a 120 degree bend used to form a lip. No one in my area could plasma cut a sheet over 4 x 8 nor could they bend a 120 bend on top of the 180 bend. So I opted to use their alternate design.

    I used 1.5 x 1.5 angle welded along the edge with 3/16 gaps.

    They specified 3.5 in 1/8 flat stock for the supports. 3.5 inch flat stock is crazy expensive at almost $40 a stick and i needed 10 for the table. I opted for 2.5 in which was a quarter of the price.

    To make this work I added a 1/2 support to raise the slats up off the floor of the pan and help with fluid flow. I also opted to have the slats sit 1/2 below the rim of the pan.

    I will fill the table 2.5 inches deep and have 1/2 gap between the fluid and the part being cut. I think this will workout ok but its the first time I have done this so we will see.

    Their design did not call for a center support rib but I added one and it made a big difference.

    The slats slip in nice and easy but lock in once in place and I do not get any movement.

    Yes the steel in the drawing is brand new, my steel supplier delivered some very rusty stock and they did not have enough. I hate cleaning brand new things!

    I put more photos on the build website than I could post here: http://cncplasmabuild.com/

    More updates coming soon!
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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Fabworks View Post
    I unfortunately do not have a foundry where I can make my own steel. So I have to purchase the steel and some of the components then put them together. I was going to bend the 5x10 sheet of 1/8 plate for the water table by hand but decided to get someone to do it for me. Some assembly, fabrication required.
    Ahh, this made me laugh. You should probably aqquire a foundry before posting again!

    Looks like it is coming together nicely. I have been shopping around for a table for some time. Please post some feedback and reviews on your machine once its up and running.

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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    I will be posting all the way though. I cant post everything on the forum so most of it is on the website I made to document the build. Detailed reviews are on there. The website is: www.cncplasmabuild.com

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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    OK nobody panic.

    I am closing this thread for the time being because I have received LOTS of messages about it and the (Maybe) spam factor..

    Let's let the ADMINISTRATION make the final decision on what stays and what goes.

    ...zap!


    I am not completely insane..
    Some parts are missing

    Professional Driver on a closed course....
    Do not attempt.

    Just because I'm a dumbass don't mean that you can be too.
    So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.

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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    Its a project and a picture. The link off is a bit sketchy, but at least it starts off with some images. So long as there aren't dozens of similar posts like it, it's OK.

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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Chloupek View Post
    Its a project and a picture. The link off is a bit sketchy, but at least it starts off with some images. So long as there aren't dozens of similar posts like it, it's OK.
    And there we have it!

    ...zap!


    I am not completely insane..
    Some parts are missing

    Professional Driver on a closed course....
    Do not attempt.

    Just because I'm a dumbass don't mean that you can be too.
    So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.

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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    Not sure who I pissed off out there. Just trying to show off the build I'm working on and get some input along the way. The reason for the external link is because I can not put all of the pictures on this forum. Everyone likes pictures so there are more on my build site. This is not spam, I'm not making any money, I'm just documenting and reviewing the products that I use in the build.

    So anyways back to the build.

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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    It has been way too hot and humid to work lately. So much for a dry heat here in Arizona.

    I got the plasma table built / set up. One of the very nice things about getting a kit form table like we did is how easy it is to set up. The table is the iplasma series from Precision Plasma.

    It was very easy to set up and with 2-3 three people could be completed in under 2 hours. Taking pictures and documenting the process slowed us down a bit. That is really nice to be able to have a 4 x 8 table up and ready in that amount of time with only simple hand tools.

    The entire frame came powder coated blue. The bends were all uniform and no tool marks showed through the powder coat. The welds on the trolleys and the gantry's were all tig'ed.

    The water pan Should drop right in I hope!.

    If I was not doing the water pan I could throw some slats in the pre cut holders and hook up the electronics and be cutting.

    I have a few more things to build though before I'm cutting. Here are some of the pics. I could not fit all of them here so the rest are on the build site:
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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    ... Carry on!
    I'm too new here to notice, but I imagine there was quite a problem with spammers in the past. This forum is a good target.

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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Fabworks View Post
    Not sure who I pissed off out there. Just trying to show off the build I'm working on and get some input along the way. The reason for the external link is because I can not put all of the pictures on this forum. Everyone likes pictures so there are more on my build site. This is not spam, I'm not making any money, I'm just documenting and reviewing the products that I use in the build.

    So anyways back to the build.
    Drop the banners in the background and make it look like a build, not a promo for a plasma table company.
    The banner seems to move around for the shot, aka Longevity.

    Is the banner that important to the build?

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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    I'm sure he is getting kickbacks for advertising their stuff on this. I fail to see how this is a "welding project." He's pulling crap out of a box and bolting it together, with a lot of annoying advertisements in between. Maybe a little forum etiquette here and say "The build quality is great" instead of saying " The bends were all uniform and no tool marks showed through the powder coat. The welds on the trolleys and the gantry's were all tig'ed." Then it won't come off like you are just putting up a post to advertise for these guys.(But we know that isn't what you're doing here now, right?)

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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    I have the HBL table from precision plasma and love it. I looked at the "iPlasma" as it's a nice alternative, but it seems a little hobbyist to me. I wanted more of an industrial machine. It would be cool to see your build. I'm fairly new to the CNC plasma world but if you need help setting things up let me know.

    Now on the spamming. It does seem a little off to me as well. I didn't get a banner. (nor do I want one) and I'll gladly hype up precisions products I love my table, but I don't have a detailed build thread promoting every little feature.

    Good luck with the build you should be making parts in about a month. Setting up and calibrating the electronics is not as easy as plugging it in turning it on and cutting.
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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    Quote Originally Posted by BCTimberwolf View Post
    I'm sure he is getting kickbacks for advertising their stuff on this. I fail to see how this is a "welding project." He's pulling crap out of a box and bolting it together, with a lot of annoying advertisements in between. Maybe a little forum etiquette here and say "The build quality is great" instead of saying " The bends were all uniform and no tool marks showed through the powder coat. The welds on the trolleys and the gantry's were all tig'ed." Then it won't come off like you are just putting up a post to advertise for these guys.(But we know that isn't what you're doing here now, right?)
    They sent a banner with the table but no I have not received a dime from Precision Plasma, I paid for everything. No kickbacks received.

    While the table is bolt together, the rest is not. I have days of welding and fab into this and many more to come.

    I'm giving out info on the build quality of the product that I have received in case someone else down the road is thinking about getting one of these or doing something different. You cant go into a local store and handle this stuff so you rely on people who have it to review it and give their opinions.

    I bet if I hung a Budweiser banner with girls in bikinis in the background someone would complain about that as well.

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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Fabworks View Post
    I bet if I hung a Budweiser banner with girls in bikinis in the background someone would complain about that as well.
    Only from the guys that drink Michelob

    If your intentions are pure then keep posting, I'll appreciate the review. I'm considering a kit similiar to this versus buying a full turn key solution.

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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    where's the weld porn?

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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    Hey Desert Fabworks, if you ever feel like saving your machine torch from breakage, PM me.....
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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Mick120 View Post
    Hey Desert Fabworks, if you ever feel like saving your machine torch from breakage, PM me.....
    I'll be hitting you up, once the table makes the money to cover it. I broke my torch within the first 2hours of run time.

    To desert fabworks, I agree you really should hit him up it's worth it.
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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    Quote Originally Posted by NoBigDeal Fab View Post
    I'll be hitting you up, once the table makes the money to cover it. I broke my torch within the first 2hours of run time.

    To desert fabworks, I agree you really should hit him up it's worth it.

    Man that sucks......
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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    Yeah it did. Luckily it was only a $100 fix. Basically I screwed myself, due to not setting up hight control properly, using 65A consumables, settings for fine cut consumables (federate and voltage) but using 65A on the plasma, and trying to cut .050 aluminum. I thought to myself, "what's the worst that can happen?" well I found out. My inexperience got me on that one, but now I cut thin stuff with ease. (but I'm using proper consumables and settings now lol)
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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    Thanks for the positive and constructive comments. I will try and find some of that elusive weld porn that a few of you have asked for.

    Got a little more done. I got the stepper motors installed and the torch ran through the cable carriers and switched over to the mini machine torch and got rid of the large gear rack collar.

    I fabricated up a cart / rack to hold the 55 gallon drums that will be my sump system for the table liquid. Still having a lot of different thought about how that's going to work. I really want to pressurize the barrels to move the fluid up the table and let it drain back but a little worried that the cap is going to pop off and I will loose it all on the floor. It should only take about 5 psi to move the fluid up but we will see.

    At least the rack for the barrels is solid and fits perfect between and under the rails so that I can move it out for service and changes in the future. I have a small shop and have almost everything on wheels.

    I'm going to start working on a cart that will hold the plasma cutter, computer, and electronics controller unit.

    If any one has tried a sump system like this before I would love to hear your thoughts.
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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    With the help of 5 friends I got the water table lifted into place in the plasma table base. It fit! Very excited about that.

    I plan on welding in the drain bungs and plumbing my sump system this week finally.

    I made a little progress on the rolling cart that will hold my computer, plasma cutter and my Dragon Cut electronics box and an UPS system. I have to fab up the slide out drawer that will hold the keyboard and mouse and install the gas strut shocks that will raise the lid that will hold the monitor.

    I looked at a bunch of other peoples photos of how they set up their electronics and almost settled on using a pre-built rolling tool cart but decided to go fully custom so that this unit would slide under the table when not in use and hold everything in one place.

    The idea is to store this under the table and when I go to use it, slide it out from under the table. The lid with the monitor will fold up into a vertical position with the help of some gas struts and it will have a slide out drawer / tray for the keyboard and mouse.

    Pull up a rolling stool and I will be all set. I'm big on keeping my wires and cables under control. I hope to make this setup as clean as possible. As soon as I can get everything set and tested I will send it all out to powder coat.

    Getting close to being done!!
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    Re: New Plasma Machine Build - iplasma table, Hypertherm, Dragon Cut

    Its been tough getting work done on this project lately. 72+ hours a week at the day job does not leave much fabrication time lately.

    I did make some progress on my computer cart. I both hate and enjoy the custom fabrication and all the bolt it on try it take it apart and repeat a thousand times.

    I got the gas struts installed for the flip up monitor panel. It works great! I have changed struts many times which is easy but figuring out the mounting points and the the load vs the leverage and finding a strut that is not designed for what you want to do and making it work took a bit.

    I was going to enclose the cart more and put panels on the sides but I figure that since the norm temp in the shop is about 110 I had better leave is open for some ventilation.

    I need to mount the Dragon cut box so that it sits up off the floor and figure out how I want to mount the emergency stop button and it should be ready for powder coat.

    I have been dreading the plumbing set up for the tanks and the water pan so I have not done anything with that in a bit. Maybe I will work on that next.

    Thanks for all of the ideas and pictures you all have been sending!
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