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    Talking My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    in 1971 my dad bought this old pipeliner for a whopping $20 it had a "dead" spot on the selector dial, other than that it ran and welded like a champ. I learned how to weld on this machine when I was about 8 years old. We used it on and off over the years but it mostly just sat in a pole building at my grandpas house.

    Recently I discovered my old welding mentor CEP was collecting and restoring SA 200's, I had thought about dragging ours out of the shed and going thru it but hadn't done anything about it. once I saw what CEP had done with his I was hooked and so begins my resto project. I have restored 20+ hit and miss engines and a few motorcycles but never a welder... looks pretty straightforward but I am sure that I will have plenty of questions as I go thru it this winter.
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    A few more pictures....
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    She will probably fire right up and weld. Still almost a new welder.
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Probably, she always has in the past!
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Looks like a good candidate for a rebuild, an old welder that's been in the family for 40+ years. Good luck with your project & keep us up to date with the progress!
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Oh yeah, it is part of the family...
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Quote Originally Posted by JAS View Post
    in 1971 my dad bought this old pipeliner for a whopping $20
    Tell Tom I'll give him $25.00 for it.
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Quote Originally Posted by CEP View Post
    Tell Tom I'll give him $25.00 for it.
    No!!!! He already gave it too me....
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    We'll see about that, PM me his phone number!
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    welderpartswarhouse.net sells those main selectors for 75 dollars
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Thats going to be a nice resto. The cabinetry is in fine shape. Looking forward to your build pics
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Quote Originally Posted by CEP View Post
    We'll see about that, PM me his phone number!
    Down boy, down....
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Not a bad looking machine, how does everything ohm out?
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Quote Originally Posted by circlecranch View Post
    Not a bad looking machine, how does everything ohm out?
    Have not "ohmed it out" just getting it torn apart now. I did however just determine that the engine is free which is a bonus.
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Pulled the radiator last night, I plan on having it hot tanked and pressure tested. I don't plan on tearing down the whole engine since it has such low hours on it. One thing I need to do is figure out where the oil leak is coming from, the pattern of oil flung onto the radiator leads me to believe it might be coming from the governor area rather than the front seal.
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Usually its the bottom hole where the bolt goes through to the mag, The top does it too, its just not as common, and every once in a while the push in seal where the linkage goes into the governor housing goes bad.
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Quote Originally Posted by circlecranch View Post
    Usually its the bottom hole where the bolt goes through to the mag, The top does it too, its just not as common, and every once in a while the push in seal where the linkage goes into the governor housing goes bad.
    Thanks! I think that bottom mag bolt and maybe even the mag gasket could be the culprit.
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    See that rectangular plate on the top bolt in the governor? There should be a piece of sheet rubber gasket behind that plate, bottom one too. I just stopped about 98% of an oil leak in my 1954 by replacing that rubber gasket.
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Thanks Carl, I think that is where the issue is.
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Quote Originally Posted by JAS View Post
    Have not "ohmed it out" just getting it torn apart now.
    You may want to consider doing so soon as the results would determine the difference between a reasonable. moderate or expensive restoration cost. Just a thought.

    And CEP, factoring in inflation the unit is worth all of $50 now so let's be fair.
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Hey not a problem duaneb55, in fact being as I respect your knowledge of welding machines so much I'll go as high as $75.00!!!!!!!!!
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Quote Originally Posted by duaneb55 View Post
    You may want to consider doing so soon as the results would determine the difference between a reasonable. moderate or expensive restoration cost. Just a thought.

    And CEP, factoring in inflation the unit is worth all of $50 now so let's be fair.
    I think I am going to need a "Dummies guide" to checking the ohms on this machine..... I am not sure how to go about doing it, can it be done without removing the coils?
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Well I'm not going to type what has been typed by the masses already other than to tell you if you're going to own an SA-200, you need to go to Weldmart http://weldmart.com/index2.htm and request their free CD packed with probably all the information you'll need to know. While you're waiting you can go to their troubleshooting section and get the information you need.

    Another site to visit is http://www.billswelderrepair.com/home.html.

    If you still have questions, just ask.
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    Quote Originally Posted by duaneb55 View Post
    Well I'm not going to type what has been typed by the masses already other than to tell you if you're going to own an SA-200, you need to go to Weldmart http://weldmart.com/index2.htm and request their free CD packed with probably all the information you'll need to know. While you're waiting you can go to their troubleshooting section and get the information you need.

    Another site to visit is http://www.billswelderrepair.com/home.html.

    If you still have questions, just ask.
    Thanks duane55, I sent for that free CD today! I Went to their troubleshooting page and downloaded the info too so I should be set for now, just need some "shop time"

    Thanks,

    Jim
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    Re: My SA 200 Red Face... the resto begins

    well I was able to check out the shunts on the exciter, not sure how to check the mains but I would think they're likely okay as it welded fine in the past when we've used it, but who knows.... if it's not too difficult I may see if I can figure out how to test them too.

    from what I could find I am supposed to be around 46 ohms, is 49.6 ohms okay on the exciter shunts?
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