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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    I could not find a number on the series coils. But the wiring between the series coils is blocking the ends of the coils so if they are there I cannot see them.
    I could not find a number on the armature. But the information on the card matches.

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    14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973
    SA250, Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she has
    ESAB Power Cut 1600
    2 LN25 innershield, Mig
    Magnum SG Spool Gun / Control Module
    Tig Module K930
    250/250 round top
    Power Mig 180C

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    Here are a couple of pics of the coils locations as seen from both ends.
    I should have oriented the housing but didnt think of it when I was taking the pics.
    So bear with me here. For correct orientaiton.
    In the first pic you will notice the selector wires protruding from the frame at about the 2 o'clock position and at 10 o'clock in the second pic. They should be at 12 o'clock.

    Now there are
    4 interpole coils. at 12, 3, 6 and 9 o'clock, They look kind of like radiators.
    2 Series coils, at the 10 and 4 o'clock positions. The ( voltage) taps for the selector switch come from these coils.
    2 Shunt coils, at the 2 and 8 o'clock positions. The power generated by the exciter traveles thru and is adjusted by the rheostat to the shunt coils. The changes in the shunt fields adjusts the amperage in the selected voltage range.
    Now this is all electromegnetic fields and influence so no more lesson it just magic..


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    14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973
    SA250, Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she has
    ESAB Power Cut 1600
    2 LN25 innershield, Mig
    Magnum SG Spool Gun / Control Module
    Tig Module K930
    250/250 round top
    Power Mig 180C

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    For as old as the machine the coils look to be in good shape are you going to bake it and coat it with glyptal
    1960 Redface SA-200 F 162
    1973 Black face SA-200 F 163 with 5" chop
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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    "papaharley03
    That is TOP NOTCH service from a company whom I didn't buy their newest offering. They seem genuinely interested in helping those of us that are keeping their old machines in service."

    pappa
    I agree. I thought they may have been going in the wrong direction when they reduced the Tech. manuals that are available on the web site. But it appears that if you "ask" they will still provide it.
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    "60redfacer Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    For as old as the machine the coils look to be in good shape are you going to bake it and coat it with glyptal "

    60redfacer
    They are in very good condition. I have read up on glyptal and it does seem to be an industry standard. I am hoping to get this to the gen shop in the next week. Much will be determined by their appraisal and recommendations. But I am going to try and keep this as original as possible.
    14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973
    SA250, Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she has
    ESAB Power Cut 1600
    2 LN25 innershield, Mig
    Magnum SG Spool Gun / Control Module
    Tig Module K930
    250/250 round top
    Power Mig 180C

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    You're doing a dang good job on the machine and your attention to the details is amazing, keep us all informed as the restoration unravels
    1960 Redface SA-200 F 162
    1973 Black face SA-200 F 163 with 5" chop
    2013 Miller Trailblazer 275
    2013 GMC 3500 welding car

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    Keep at the good work!
    When I first saw this thread I though "no way". Now I can't wait to see the finished product!
    Last edited by kald; 05-07-2013 at 09:58 PM.

  7. #157
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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    Bob Crowe spent 30 min on the phone with me looking for the winding specs for my 49 junior , he sent all the info to my e-mail that day . unbelievable how far back their records go , and the willingness to share . he also sent me drawings of the 4 position selector switch , with that info I was able to build one from scratch. cant say enough about how helpful Lincoln is with these machines

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    It is truly refreshing to hear about a company that cares these days.

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    Took today off to take Grand Pa to the generator Dr. for an evaluation. Hope the Dr. wont mind me taking photo's and making notes. Will post more later.
    14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973
    SA250, Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she has
    ESAB Power Cut 1600
    2 LN25 innershield, Mig
    Magnum SG Spool Gun / Control Module
    Tig Module K930
    250/250 round top
    Power Mig 180C

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    It was a lot easier to move as one unit. The individual pieces were a little more challenging. In the end I blocked it all up and nailed it down to the plywood. Only needed one strap in the end. I should have thought of this much earlier.


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    I had a good conversation with Bob from Northern Electric. He agreed to let me photograph the testing and any work that may need to be done. Maybe even video if I can take the time to learn the ins and outs of posting it. It will be about 3 weeks before it's on the schedule.

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    The tank on the cart to the left is from a SA250 that they are currently working on.

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    14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973
    SA250, Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she has
    ESAB Power Cut 1600
    2 LN25 innershield, Mig
    Magnum SG Spool Gun / Control Module
    Tig Module K930
    250/250 round top
    Power Mig 180C

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    Cool looking building. Looking forward to seeing the results too.
    MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1
    Syncrowave 180SD
    Bobcat 225G Plus - LP/NG
    MUTT Suitcase Wirefeeder
    WC-1S/Spoolmatic 1
    HF-251D-1
    PakMaster 100XL
    SA-200 Blackface Code# 8638
    Star Jet 21-110

    Two term limit - one in office, one in jail.

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    This thread just keeps getting better!
    Keep up the good work.
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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    Can't wait to see this all finished! It's gonna look great! Keep up the awesome work
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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    duaneb55
    The shop is located in the heart of theold mill area along the waterfront in NewBedford Ma. The building is a fixit mans dream. If only I could move it to my house. It is a fixer upper but that is not what I mean. Built in hoists and beam trolleys. Three phase power, heavy concrete floors. Enclosed loading area. Frieght terminal close by. I could put all my shop equipment and tooling in it with room for all my current rusty stuff and still have room to work on it all, INSIDE the building. Alright so I may be dreaming a bit but it would be nice. I am sure that there will be more photos of the interior while following the work to come.

    Alaska Marty, Backyard Welder
    Definatley more to come.


    I am going to spend a few hours learning about how and what to do to post video. Now that I have found a way to get 36 hours out of a day it wont be much at all.
    14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973
    SA250, Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she has
    ESAB Power Cut 1600
    2 LN25 innershield, Mig
    Magnum SG Spool Gun / Control Module
    Tig Module K930
    250/250 round top
    Power Mig 180C

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    Quote Originally Posted by andex View Post
    duaneb55
    The shop is located in the heart of theold mill area along the waterfront in NewBedford Ma. The building is a fixit mans dream. If only I could move it to my house. It is a fixer upper but that is not what I mean. Built in hoists and beam trolleys. Three phase power, heavy concrete floors. Enclosed loading area. Frieght terminal close by. I could put all my shop equipment and tooling in it with room for all my current rusty stuff and still have room to work on it all, INSIDE the building. Alright so I may be dreaming a bit but it would be nice. I am sure that there will be more photos of the interior while following the work to come.

    Alaska Marty, Backyard Welder
    Definatley more to come.


    I am going to spend a few hours learning about how and what to do to post video. Now that I have found a way to get 36 hours out of a day it wont be much at all.
    Yeah, ditto on the building.

    I was thinking the exact same thing Duane was.

    If you get your Lincoln info together & want to post an info thread on specs, whatever let me know.

    Ill make it a sticky.

    You rock bro. Gonna be awesome when its done.
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    DynaSteve

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    Quote Originally Posted by 7A749 View Post
    Yeah, ditto on the building.

    I was thinking the exact same thing Duane was.

    If you get your Lincoln info together & want to post an info thread on specs, whatever let me know.

    Ill make it a sticky.

    You rock bro. Gonna be awesome when its done.
    7A749

    The list is not forgotten just taken a side seat to the restoration for a while. It will be done.
    I have a couple of different formats but not yet finalized.
    14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973
    SA250, Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she has
    ESAB Power Cut 1600
    2 LN25 innershield, Mig
    Magnum SG Spool Gun / Control Module
    Tig Module K930
    250/250 round top
    Power Mig 180C

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    Oh man, that thing is rusty and old! should of left it where you found it and bought a newer machine!

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    Bite your tongue Blue!!
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    Syncrowave 180SD
    Bobcat 225G Plus - LP/NG
    MUTT Suitcase Wirefeeder
    WC-1S/Spoolmatic 1
    HF-251D-1
    PakMaster 100XL
    SA-200 Blackface Code# 8638
    Star Jet 21-110

    Two term limit - one in office, one in jail.

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    Very impressive sir very impressive in deed no more words needed to describe this your pictures do all the talking andex.
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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    Power of Blue Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

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    Oh man, that thing is rusty and old! should of left it where you found it and bought a newer machine!


    Blue
    That is exactly why I have undertaken this project. Becuase it is Really Rusty and Really old. I have newer machines, 20,30,40 and 60 years newer. But again that is why I have taken on this project. To most that dont understand I dont try to explain. But
    For me this is a chance to rescue a part of our American heratige. From a time when America was the place of inovation.
    This was one of the first models of a "portable" welder. Produced from 1932 to 1937. Released from the umbilical cord of Thomas Edison or John Tesla. In a time when rural america still was without electrical power. I do like Edisons line "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
    As I disassembled this machine it still amazes me to see the quality of wormanship and fit that was achieved in a time without computers and cnc machines. But then I learned my machine shop skills from those who did all there work with dial indicators and vernier calipers. Some thought the digital readout on the milling machine was for the novice. I never bought into that one.
    The other day I had someone ask me " What will it be worth once it's done?" I had to answer, I dont know. But like taking a hit and miss engine to a show and have people think about what it was like back in its day. When most everything was done by hand. No televison or microwave. Electricity if you had it was for a few light bulbs and an Ice box was just that.
    So in turn If it can make us think back to Nikolai Bernardos. And when welding was first done with an electrical arc instead of a gas torch or in a forge. To when Lincoln perfected the flux on an electrode. When welds replaced rivets and metalurgy grew in leaps and bounds.
    The price would be ?
    14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973
    SA250, Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she has
    ESAB Power Cut 1600
    2 LN25 innershield, Mig
    Magnum SG Spool Gun / Control Module
    Tig Module K930
    250/250 round top
    Power Mig 180C

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    Well said!
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    DynaSteve

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    X2 what he ^ said.
    MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1
    Syncrowave 180SD
    Bobcat 225G Plus - LP/NG
    MUTT Suitcase Wirefeeder
    WC-1S/Spoolmatic 1
    HF-251D-1
    PakMaster 100XL
    SA-200 Blackface Code# 8638
    Star Jet 21-110

    Two term limit - one in office, one in jail.

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    X3, bravo!
    Blue does not appreciate a real piece of history.
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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    Anyone would be kind of blue if didn't have the history a Lincoln has !!!

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    Re: 1936 SA200 Restoration

    I think the best way to look at it is if you have to explain it, they wouldn't understand....

    For those totally unfamiliar with the storied history of the SA 200, it is understandable, hence the reason guys like Hobo can pick them up for scrap price.

    In a way, if there weren't ppl that had no clue out there, the running, welding shorthoods for $500 wouldn't exist.

    Kinda a paradox I guess.
    Garage Hack Specialist....

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