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    Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    It has the European wiring with the blue, brown and yellow/green wire. I am not able to run a separate line so can I use a three prong dryer plug with no ground? The dryer uses two hots and a neutral with no ground but the welder has a hot, neutral and earth. Am I screwed or can we figure this out? I live in a rental so upgrades are not available.
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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    Blue and brown as your 2 hot legs

    Yellow/green as your ground*

    In the dryer receptacle/ plug it will be the neutral terminal*
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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    I am just a little hesitant because instead of having a hot, neutral and ground you would have hot, hot and neutral.
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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    Broc is right. You are supposed to have two hots and one ground for your welder. The neutral is only really neutral if you have part of the dryer with a 110 v circuit, otherwise it is probably a true ground.
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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    European wiring blue = neutral, Brown = hot(230v). 3 prong dryer receptacle two hot(110v each) one ground no neutral. I think you would need a transformer to boost the voltage. Also most European equipment is made for 50 hertz and American power is 60 hertz.

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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    The welder will work in 50/60Hz so that isn't an issue. Just to make sure we are all on the same page, 220v European power only has one hot. The same style as american 115 but double the voltage. Where as US 230v is two 115v and a neutral with a ground.
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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    In other words, it is different than a miller or Lincoln 230v.
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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    That is why you need a buck/boost transformer to get 230v on a single line.

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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    Quote Originally Posted by leightrepairs View Post
    That is why you need a buck/boost transformer to get 230v on a single line.
    Yea I was afraid of that. Those pigs cost more than the welder.
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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    If the dryer circuit has only one outlet and goes straight back to a panel where the neutral and ground are bonded, then neutral is the same as ground for the purpose at hand. It's just used for a different purpose with a 120/240V circuit vs a 240V-only circuit.
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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    You don't need anything but a PLUG. BLUE HOT, BROWN HOT AND GREEN/YELLOW GROUND there is no NEUTRAL
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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    Quote Originally Posted by NHMatt View Post
    ... 220v European power only has one hot....
    Hot just means it's significantly above ground potential. Since we ground in the middle, we have two "half-hots" that are 120V above or below ground. If you ground one side of a 240V transformer, you only have one "hot" that is twice the voltage. Doesn't really matter since it is AC anyway. Electrons don't read code books or pay attention to wiring conventions.
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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    Sounds good to me. I'll let you know how it welds.
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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    Thanks for the help guys. It works beautifully and welds pretty good. It maxes out at 120 and all I had was 1/8" 7018 but cranked all the way it was running hot so I bumped it down to 110 and it was fine. I had 6010 1/8" also that welded fine on about 80 amps. I still need a argon bottle to try the tig and tomorrow I will try the plasma setting. Not bad for $135 bucks at a pawn shop.
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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    I have the same dilema. So to be clear, did you connect your blue and brown to the two hot leads of the dryer plug? That should give 220V, then which wire did you connect to the green/yellow ground from the welder? The white nuetral or the bare ground wire?

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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    Quote Originally Posted by leightrepairs View Post
    That is why you need a buck/boost transformer to get 230v on a single line.
    You cannot create a neutral w/ buck/boost transformers & the machine will not care if it's 240V line to line, or line to neutral.

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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    The neutral and ground go to the same place. Get a continuity tester and probe neutral bus to ground bus. You will find that there is continuity. The only time this might give you trouble is with a gfci breaker/ recepticle. I know I'm too late and you already figured it out but had to throw in my two cents. I am an American after all
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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    In old code 3 prong dryer plug wiring your neutral/ground is the bare wire.

    Green or green+yellow is always non current carrying earth ground as far as I can tell. Some times yellow can be ground or neutral (on some generators).

    I wired in my 220v german microwave, here in the U.S.. Same idea, just smaller wire. Just hooked a blue and brown to the lines and the green/yellow to the bare conductor, via the NEMA 6-15 plug I put on the microwave and 6-15r I put on the wall.
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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    Quote Originally Posted by skid4u View Post
    I have the same dilema. So to be clear, did you connect your blue and brown to the two hot leads of the dryer plug? That should give 220V, then which wire did you connect to the green/yellow ground from the welder? The white nuetral or the bare ground wire?
    We need to know exactly which type of receptacle you have: 3-prong or 4-prong?

    3-prong 120v/240v receptacles used for dryers are strange little beasts because the way they use the Neutral and Ground together. There shouldn't be any bare wire in these receptacles. Since the 3rd wire will carry current it can not be a bare wire and that particular neutral wire goes directly to the main panel.

    4- prong 120v/240v receptacles may have a bare wire for ground because they have a separate wire for neutral.
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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    Quote Originally Posted by Broccoli1 View Post
    We need to know exactly which type of receptacle you have: 3-prong or 4-prong?

    3-prong 120v/240v receptacles used for dryers are strange little beasts because the way they use the Neutral and Ground together. There shouldn't be any bare wire in these receptacles. Since the 3rd wire will carry current it can not be a bare wire and that particular neutral wire goes directly to the main panel.

    4- prong 120v/240v receptacles may have a bare wire for ground because they have a separate wire for neutral.
    3-wire dryer receptacles are non-grounding dual voltage devices, it was allowed prior to the 1996 NEC to ground the frame of dryers to the neutral.

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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    Quote Originally Posted by Norcal01 View Post
    3-wire dryer receptacles are non-grounding dual voltage devices, it was allowed prior to the 1996 NEC to ground the frame of dryers to the neutral.
    yes- but there shouldn't be a bare wire used, correct?
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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    Quote Originally Posted by Broccoli1 View Post
    yes- but there shouldn't be a bare wire used, correct?
    No, unless SE cable was used & it was run from the service equipment, if it was not run from the service equipment & has a bare conductor it was never compliant w/ NEC requirements. & 2-conductors w/ ground NM cable was never compliant it is always wrong & it does not matter if it was a service panel or sub panel, it's still a sign of bad workmanship.

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    Re: Wiring Jasic 220v line to three prong dryer plug.

    Wow that's sad. I think every house I have ever lived in with a dryer hook up all had 2 conductor NM going to them. Even base housing made way after 1996.
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