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  1. #1

    798 pipeliners union join or not join

    I need honest opinions. I know I can pass the weld test that they make you do.
    Will I get paid more.
    Can I still work non union jobs if I join.


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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    You cannot weld non union if you join. You can do other non union trades though. You might get paid more you might work 3 less months a year and you might get benefits. Unions are good if it's what you want. I like to be close to home I don't like getting a call saying my names up head 2000 miles when there's a job at the house. But that is part of being a welder sometimes. Last I heard 798 wasn't selling any books so you probably couldn't join if you wanted to. Do you have the experience they have required? Not many welders have a ton of experience on big inch pipe outside of 798.

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    798 is slightly slow right now. In May there will be a huge boom and books will be sold. Or so the rumors tell, I usually stay home in Nebraska as a steam fitter.

    You can't beat the pay, I was on the ROW for 4 months last year. 30-40k a month.
    Last edited by RodBender; 02-18-2014 at 11:52 AM.
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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    Quote Originally Posted by RodBender View Post
    798 is slightly slow right now. In May there will be a huge boom and books will be sold. Or so the rumors tell, I usually stay home in Nebraska as a steam fitter.

    You can't beat the pay, I was on the ROW for 4 months last year. 30-40k a month.
    That's a lot of dough for a month. But at what cost did it come. 7 days a week work?


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    On 6 10's I was clearing about 32k a month.

    With $4,900 take home I believe.


    Of course you have to spend diesel to get to site, some jobs will comp .50 a mile.
    Hotels every night. Fast food most meals.


    Local 798 wages are $52.xx
    Per diem $105
    With a rig rate and diesel I think an extra $25 an hour.

    These are all close figures


    I have buddy's working 7-12's mainlining making $1200-1600 a day
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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    What is take home


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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    Quote Originally Posted by Dart340 View Post
    What is take home
    After taxes. Your / our cut!
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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    So you pay 27,100 in taxes


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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    Quote Originally Posted by Dart340 View Post
    So you pay 27,100 in taxes
    That doesn't sound right! There is more to this story, Maybe he meant per week.
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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    Probably. I've never heard such extreme taxes. The most I've ever paid is 20 percent tax.
    If the tax was that severe no one would weld.


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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    I was in the 49% bracket.
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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    That is awful. Where are you located. I'm from ohio


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    Washington.
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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    Never been that far west. I hear it rains a lot there.
    That is a bunch of bull that you had to give half your check away.


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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    Quote Originally Posted by RodBender View Post
    798 is slightly slow right now. In May there will be a huge boom and books will be sold.
    A huge B00M is no surprise.The books will be Bibles.
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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    Quote Originally Posted by Dart340 View Post
    I hear it rains a lot there.
    There is a saying here. "It will clear up, clear up to your azz"!
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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    Quote Originally Posted by CEP View Post
    There is a saying here. "It will clear up, clear up to your azz"!
    I just received 11 inches of snow overnight.
    I'm lucky I have a bobcat or I would be stuck for a while.
    The 11 went on top of the 6inches that was already there previously.


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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    We don't hardly ever get snow. We got a couple inches last week, lasted less than 24-hours. We get 300-days of 40-degree rain!
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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    5k a week is average/high for any pipe welder as take home it is possible to make more but not 40k a month unless you are straight contract. Taxes typically only come out on arm pay not per diem or rig

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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    Quote Originally Posted by rifleco View Post
    5k a week is average/high for any pipe welder as take home it is possible to make more but not 40k a month unless you are straight contract. Taxes typically only come out on arm pay not per diem or rig
    Good to know.


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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    What pays more tig or stick.


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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    Combo pays more typically but your talking more plant and refinery work which will hire a lot of singlhand welders which doesn't pay very good. If you get a rig combo job as a non union welder you should make 5-10$ hr more than a stick only welder

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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    That was $4900 take home a week. Cash money. I don't pay the helper.... That's been asked before



    Like Rifleco is saying, there are a couple "types" of rig welders. You can be on a main line tie in crew, doing hot taps, pump stations, or you can take your rig to outages at industrial sites.

    I have brought a rig to shut downs at ethanol plants as a combo welder to make SS joints, they paid for all my supplies and comped fuel for my rig every day. I was paid my local unions Area Forman ($39) wage with a rig rate ($15). With $110 per diem.

    Good money but still less than pipline money.



    In comparison my local UA hall has a $33 an hour scale for every one (welders, fitters, service) and I meet plenty of non union pipe welders getting paid $21-25 an hour no benefits, and the kicker is they have to be carbon and stainless combo welders, some of the non union contractors in the area want the high skill, bid the jobs like they have the best, but don't pay for the best.

    Local 798 members that work hard and are skilled always have work. There is a rumor that union construction hands are lazy and barely work half the year.
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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    Quote Originally Posted by RodBender View Post
    That was $4900 take home a week. Cash money. I don't pay the helper.... That's been asked before



    Like Rifleco is saying, there are a couple "types" of rig welders. You can be on a main line tie in crew, doing hot taps, pump stations, or you can take your rig to outages at industrial sites.

    I have brought a rig to shut downs at ethanol plants as a combo welder to make SS joints, they paid for all my supplies and comped fuel for my rig every day. I was paid my local unions Area Forman ($39) wage with a rig rate ($15). With $110 per diem.

    Good money but still less than pipline money.



    In comparison my local UA hall has a $33 an hour scale for every one (welders, fitters, service) and I meet plenty of non union pipe welders getting paid $21-25 an hour no benefits, and the kicker is they have to be carbon and stainless combo welders.

    Local 798 members that work hard and are skilled always have work. There is a rumor that union construction hands are lazy and barely work half the year.
    Do you run scratch start or do you have a real tig machine on your rig


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    Re: 798 pipeliners union join or not join

    Scratch start. Clip your leads on and go.

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