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  1. #1
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    Help me identify this tool

    Tool is stamped "Red Devil 417" and has double sided jaws...
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    Re: Help me identify this tool

    Looks like it's designed to hold tubing for flaring or something.
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    Re: Help me identify this tool

    One side of the jaws seem to be for crimpring they don't touch.
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    Re: Help me identify this tool

    I was thinking it's a swaging die for doing wire rope. I've also seen hose repair swages that look similar, but the holes look too small for that.
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    Re: Help me identify this tool

    Looks like a wire terminal crimper to me, they wouldn't have to touch.
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    Re: Help me identify this tool

    Have four of em from my father-in-laws tool chest I inherited..he was a "telephone,wireline,electrician" in the day when all the "big oil companies" had their own telephone and power service..have a bunch of the brass connectors of all sizes also..used to splice and connect wires. ( thats what I was told anyway). hope that helps

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    Re: Help me identify this tool

    Just guessing, but by the look of it I would assume it is a tube flaring and swag-crimping combo tool. The locking clip would hold it together while you flared the tube end with something. I am ruling out a straight out swaging tool because once you pressed the swage there would be no reason to have the locking clip continue to hold it. But the middle double holes definitely look like they may do a crimp for wire. The outer holes would be for the tube flaring.
    Last edited by Ed.; 03-23-2010 at 04:42 AM.
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    Re: Help me identify this tool

    Thanks for the ideas, JayRay I bet you're right that was my guess.
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    Re: Help me identify this tool

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed. View Post
    Just guessing, but by the look of it I would assume it is a tube flaring and swag-crimping combo tool. The locking clip would hold it together while you flared the tube end with something. I am ruling out a straight out swaging tool because once you pressed the swage there would be no reason to have the locking clip continue to hold it. But the middle double holes definitely look like they may do a crimp for wire. The outer holes would be for the tube flaring.
    The grooves in the holes sure look like a flaring vice to me too, but then one side of the hole would have to be chamfered.

    It looks WAY too flimsy to be a swaging die. Since both sides have holes, you can't beat on it, and the handle won't nearly have the strength to swage wire rope.
    The small holes look like they could be for crimping wire terminals, but crimping large wires is very similar to swaging wire rope. It still seems too lightweight.

    Why do the small holes appear to be in pairs? That has to mean something.

    Something still doesn't add up to me.

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    Re: Help me identify this tool

    Quote Originally Posted by JayRay View Post
    Have four of em from my father-in-laws tool chest I inherited..he was a "telephone,wireline,electrician" in the day when all the "big oil companies" had their own telephone and power service..have a bunch of the brass connectors of all sizes also..used to splice and connect wires. ( thats what I was told anyway). hope that helps
    I also have one of these that I got from my father-in-law's tool barn. He was also an electrician, for Georgia Power. I have always thought it was a crimping tool. I actually used it for that, making golf cart battery cables.
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    Re: Help me identify this tool

    Quote Originally Posted by B D View Post
    Tool is stamped "Red Devil 417" and has double sided jaws...
    this is part of a kit for soldering solid copper wire connections. do you have the rest of the kit? I have almost 2 complete sets myself and they sure come in handy when working on thermocouples for power generation plants. they are not really that old but are more job specific related tools. most of the people that have these have worked in the power gen. industry of plant maintenance.

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    Re: Help me identify this tool

    i love lighting off thermocouples..
    if you're not livin on the edge, you're takin up too much room..

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    Re: Help me identify this tool

    Looks to me like a gripping tool of some kind, not a swage. (1) It would be silly to have the serrations visible on the surfaces of the recesses on the dies of a swage which are always highly polished, and (2) the larger die recesses requiring higher force would always be closer to the hinge than the smaller holes in a multi-recess swage.

    It doesn't look like a flaring diel. I presume BD would have shown us any flaring bevel. Also there is no reason for pairs of recesses in a flaring die.

    My guess is a tool for gripping cable or tubing to hold it in place while some other operation is performed on the bitter end. Still doesn't explain the double recesses or the placement of the larger recesses.

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