I have two of them. I paid $400.00 for each one off of Ebay. I bought them new and un used. I ran maybe two rods thru one of the lenses. I just don't think that they're all that great. Check out my thread in OT about welding lens review(s). I can and will provide reference as to my integrity. People you can speak with on the phone, from my material suppliers. Viable/Trackable Names & Viable/Trackable addresses. I am in Hawaii, and by no means in a rush to sell. If I sell, I only want what I paid + shipping.