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    Powcon parts, sad news

    Just received word last week. Arcon no longer has parts for powcon welders. They will still keep the manuals up on their web
    site for down loading. If anybody finds a repair shop that is going to repair these and the pcbs post it here.

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    Suppose that about the final nail in the coffin for PowCon.

    Of course, it makes sense for Arcon since they don't sell welders if they're helping ppl fix their PowCon machines.

    I guess it was only a matter of time

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    Re: Powcon parts, sad news

    So... Somebody local has a 300SM with Powerdrive II for sale for what seems like a good deal. In fact, until this thread popped up, I was planning on calling him as soon as I get my taxes done.

    I currently have a Hobart 205AC, but have been getting in to stuff where a MIG set-up would be ideal (tube for 4x4 bumpers, sliders, etc.). I'd like to keep the stick and gain MIG. You guys seem to be the only ones that know a whole lot about these machines.

    So: just how reliable are they, and what are the chances of repairs going forward? Or: should I just save up a bit more and either buy a good MIG or a multi-process that's still got support?

    Thanks in advance.
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    In their day. they were good machines. But they are getting old now, a powcon might last a week or for 10 years.
    No way to know. Just don't pay a lot if you buy.

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    Re: Powcon parts, sad news

    never heard of them....
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    They were the first to bring inverters to the market back in the late 70s. The design is very reliable for its age and brilliantly engineered. Just no real support for them and unless you have a boneyard of parts laying around, you're screwed if they stop working.

    Yeah, don't pay much for it.

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    Re: Powcon parts, sad news

    Did someone buy up the parts inventory? I know of a local shop that might buy out the inventory.

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    Re: Powcon parts, sad news

    There have been no parts inventories for a long time for Powcon.

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    Re: Powcon parts, sad news

    I sold my 200SM in 2004. It ran great, but I knew the writing was on the wall.
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    Re: Powcon parts, sad news

    I first saw the KaPow-Cons in the mid 80's. I still see their Plasma Cutters out there. It was a game changing product

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    Powcon parts, sad news

    Miller bought them out for their inverter technology years ago.
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    Re: Powcon parts, sad news

    Quote Originally Posted by snoeproe View Post
    Miller bought them out for their inverter technology years ago.
    ITW basically bought them out and killed them. None of Miller's inverters really adopted much of their design, which is an SCR fired system and not IGBT. Miller rebranded some of their plasma stuff, but that was about it. It's too bad, they made (and still do as Arcon) an excellent machine. The biggest downfall of the new Arcon is that it's just too expensive to compete in the mainstream inverter market, and resale even at a fraction of retail is a difficult because not many ppl are familiar with the product outside of specialized heavy industry segments.

    I was very interested in getting a demo machine a few years back, but even a well used one was considerably more than I could have bought a very nice XMT 350 for.

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    The parts inventory that Arcon had left was literally thrown out or scrapped. However, the vast majority that was left was for less common machines, and would have taken many years to sell off.

    Some of the more common parts actually went home with me, rather than to the landfill. I'm starting to put them on ebay, but haven't made much progress yet. Also, some of the parts Arcon uses in their Workhorse can be used in some PowCons (input and output capacitors, input rectifier/capacitor filter boards, circuit breakers, output boards, some main control boards, just to name a few).

    If there are any specific parts you need, let me know and I'll see what I have or see if it can be crossed to an Arcon part.

    As for someone to repair the machines, I don't have the time for that at the moment, but there are a few places around the country that still work on them. Off the top of my head, Gases & Arc Supply in Denver, CO has repaired PowCons recently, and Arc Solutions in Hicksville, OH actually has several used/repaired 300SS's for sale on ebay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7A749 View Post
    ITW basically bought them out and killed them. None of Miller's inverters really adopted much of their design, which is an SCR fired system and not IGBT. Miller rebranded some of their plasma stuff, but that was about it. It's too bad, they made (and still do as Arcon) an excellent machine. The biggest downfall of the new Arcon is that it's just too expensive to compete in the mainstream inverter market, and resale even at a fraction of retail is a difficult because not many ppl are familiar with the product outside of specialized heavy industry segments.

    I was very interested in getting a demo machine a few years back, but even a well used one was considerably more than I could have bought a very nice XMT 350 for.
    I remember the early XMTs cases sure looking like blue painted pow con cases.
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    Re: Powcon parts, sad news

    Quote Originally Posted by ArcPowTech View Post
    The parts inventory that Arcon had left was literally thrown out or scrapped. However, the vast majority that was left was for less common machines, and would have taken many years to sell off.

    Some of the more common parts actually went home with me, rather than to the landfill. I'm starting to put them on ebay, but haven't made much progress yet. Also, some of the parts Arcon uses in their Workhorse can be used in some PowCons (input and output capacitors, input rectifier/capacitor filter boards, circuit breakers, output boards, some main control boards, just to name a few).

    If there are any specific parts you need, let me know and I'll see what I have or see if it can be crossed to an Arcon part.

    As for someone to repair the machines, I don't have the time for that at the moment, but there are a few places around the country that still work on them. Off the top of my head, Gases & Arc Supply in Denver, CO has repaired PowCons recently, and Arc Solutions in Hicksville, OH actually has several used/repaired 300SS's for sale on ebay.
    We have a dedicated PowCon subforum on this site as well. I'm sure there would be some ppl very interested in talking to you.

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    Re: Powcon parts, sad news

    Quote Originally Posted by snoeproe View Post
    I remember the early XMTs cases sure looking like blue painted pow con cases.
    The earliest XMT cases were actually aluminum. Plastic came later. The XMT 200/300 debuted around 1990-'91 if memory serves. I believe the acquisition of PowCon came in around 1994-'95. I know the PowCon Starcut was sold with identical blue plastic as its original red and just rebranded as Miller. I wouldn't be surprised if miller may have sold some of their welders rebranded the same way. I would love to see some examples if anyone runs across any.

    The operating platform of the XMT machines has always been IGBT versus the SCR switching used by PowCon. The XMT 300 platform was very similar to the Maxtron machines which were manufactured in around the same timeframe. The PowCon was and still is a design far ahead of its time and very robust. There's still a lot of them out there, some pushing thirty plus years old and still getting the job done.

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    Re: Powcon parts, sad news

    Jason, here's a very nice example of a super early XMT 300. 1990 manufacture. I would have bought it in a heartbeat if it wasn't $800 lol. It was on the Floor at HGR in Ohio last year.

    Don't see many of these around any more.
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