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  1. #26
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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blocker View Post
    Thanks Hoff. I would like to see your set up once you get it built.


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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    I will be glad to wait on you Hoff. If you do not beat me to building one you are in trouble. I have to build a bed first and do see about a winch. I let a bed go last week because it was just too far away.

    Bob, out of curiosity, is your headache rack/winch cage made out of drill stem?


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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blocker View Post
    I will be glad to wait on you Hoff. If you do not beat me to building one you are in trouble. I have to build a bed first and do see about a winch. I let a bed go last week because it was just too far away.

    Bob, out of curiosity, is your headache rack/winch cage made out of drill stem


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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    It's made of upset tubing which is what most people call drill stem. The front two verticals go through the top plate and are welded to the structural part of the bed right by where it is bolted to the bed. The back two are welded to the top plated which is welded to supports under them. There is about 6" under the supports for the winch as I wanted to be able to slide stuff under it.

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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    Working on a small gin pole set up with Bob's truck as inspiration, I hope to come up with a diually for it at a later date

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    And I need to check how to rotate pictures

    Anyway, it's not done, but it is coming along

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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    That is looking good. NICE truck too. How are you anchoring the frame you built to the bed?


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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    That is just beyond bad *** my friend. You did an amazing job. You will never be sorry you built it and it will be better as you learn all the things you can do with one. Years ago, I had a flat on my little 4'x6' trailer that my welding stuff was own. I laid the poles down to where it was over the trailer and picked it up enough to take the pressure off the tires and drove it home, no real problems.

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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    So to finish it off I hope to run all thread down from the headache rack on each side of the frame with a heavy angle under the frame. That should give me 4 each 1/2 inch allthreads under the frame. Enough to lift the whole truck I hope. At the back I want to remove the rear bumper and put two upright box tubes that will hold pipes for carrying beams and tie it into the frame. Probably add two trailer jacks on the tail since it's a single rear wheel for heavy lifts, and maybe air bags. Time will tell.

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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blocker View Post
    That is looking good. NICE truck too. How are you anchoring the frame you built to the bed?


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    Thank you, picked up last week cheap, needs a lil TLC, the

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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    That is just beyond bad *** my friend. You did an amazing job. You will never be sorry you built it and it will be better as you learn all the things you can do with one. Years ago, I had a flat on my little 4'x6' trailer that my welding stuff was own. I laid the poles down to where it was over the trailer and picked it up enough to take the pressure off the tires and drove it home, no real problems.

    It's getting there, thank you for the inspiration and thank you

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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    Dammit Bob, I'm sorry Wayne passed, I never knew and don't get around much anymore.
    Thank you dearly for sharing your knowledge. I've learned alot from both of you over the years.

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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    Maybe this is nitpicking, but the U. S. Army Field Manual FM 5-125 calls this lifting arrangement a "sheerleg" or "shear legs" as opposed to a gin pole which is a single beam buoyed by 3 or 4 guy wires or ropes.

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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Denis G View Post
    Maybe this is nitpicking, but the U. S. Army Field Manual FM 5-125 calls this lifting arrangement a "sheerleg" or "shear legs" as opposed to a gin pole which is a single beam buoyed by 3 or 4 guy wires or ropes.
    Yeah, I saw that when I was searching the Internet, I don't know why but that's what they have become know as. My wife calls it my wench truck. And yes I know I spelled it with an "e". That's what she calls it,

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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_pole

    There is the difference for anyone who cares to read it.


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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    You're simply using two poles instead of one. Using two poles makes it gin poles.
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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    Here is a link to more information:
    http://www.iadc.org/wp-content/uploa...arch-20101.pdf

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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blocker View Post
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_pole
    There is the difference for anyone who cares to read it.
    I read that. I found the broader category "derricks" also interesting:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrick

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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    Thanks for posting those two links. I will enjoy reading those.


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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    Finished the bolt in and wiring today, lifted the SA-200 like it was nothing. Took a minute to respool the cable with some load, I hope to lift the SA-300 off the trailer this week, if that beast doesn't phase it nothing will.

    Next I will work on a better tail board setup and some air bags,


    So bob, how do you change up the rigging when it goes over center?

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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    With your center pulley being taller than your leg pivot points, the winch line will hold it up and you can do what you want. In the picture you can see the poles going down and being held up with the winch line. It's not much difference but the center pulley is taller than the pole pivots by a few inches so the winch line holds it up.
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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    Thanks bob, I will try that when I get a chance.

    Lifted the SAE-300 off the trailer this evening

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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    Okay, I am not sure why it went double and sideways.

    Sorry about that

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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    I thought it tilted your truck up for a minute. I have picked up stuff that I should have as well and worse, moved the truck around with it hanging. I built 3 sail boat marinas years ago. I built the sections of walk way and side fingers in the shop and put it together at the lake on a boat ramp. The walk way pieces and the "T" head sections were the heaviest and stuck 25' behind the truck. Every time I backed onto the slope of the ramp, the front end would come off the ground. I had to have the hired hand sit on the hood for those pieces.

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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    Lol, no I didn't tip it over yet, but tomorrow is a new day.

    When I get a chance I will stiffen up the rear suspension, and consider more wieght on the front. But I have a fair bit of work to do on the truck to so let's see how it all shakes out with winter coming

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    Re: The secret to easy adjustable gin poles.

    Bob-
    I've been studying your posts ever since I acquired a winch truck last year.

    Mine won't move the poles. It just sucks them down tighter to the bed instead of raising them. I recently rebuilt my winch and put new lines on the rig and was disappointed when it couldn't move the poles.

    Poles pivot near rear spring hangers, are 14' long 3.5" pipe. About 3.25" above flatbed to center of pivot bolt.

    I suspect there is some geometry wrong somewhere, I recently welded in a more substantial deadman that rotates so as to lay flush with bed when rigged down.

    Can you be more specific about the bed pulley and rear anchor point needing to be higher than pole pivots? Are we talking center of bed pully or where line runs in sheave? It suspect my problem lies is the placement and height of that pulley. Any help would be appreciated.

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