Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time.. - Page 5
RSS | Subscribe | Contact Us | Advertise | About Us
Page 5 of 5 FirstFirst ... 345
Results 101 to 121 of 121
  1. #101
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    CA
    Posts
    2,779

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    Mcm I can see by looking at your wire that you are using the knurled drive roller. Do you have the tension set at light as possible on the drive roller?
    '65 Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DC
    ESAB REBEL EMP 215ic
    L-tec PCM-DVi 40A plasma
    Victor Performer O/A
    Lincoln Viking 4C 3350

  2. #102
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Posts
    240

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    Quote Originally Posted by N2 Welding View Post
    Mcm I can see by looking at your wire that you are using the knurled drive roller. Do you have the tension set at light as possible on the drive roller?
    Yea, its at the lightest. And even at the lightest, it will buckle the wire if it burned back to the tip and stuck.
    Tweco Fabricator 211i
    Miller Trailblazer 302 Diesel
    65' SA200 project
    Victor O/A

  3. #103
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    CA
    Posts
    2,779

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    Then don't burn the wire back LOL. Watch the arc and notice when the arc characteristic changes. I presume you will experience less burn back to the tip after you start using the Bernard consumables.

    I am ok with using the smaller fusion velocity tips for quick light duty welds that don't require a lot of heat. I have seen the burn back from over heated tips now and lucky me I saw it right away and adjusted my stick out and prevented a wire sticking to and clogging up the tip.
    '65 Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DC
    ESAB REBEL EMP 215ic
    L-tec PCM-DVi 40A plasma
    Victor Performer O/A
    Lincoln Viking 4C 3350

  4. #104
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Posts
    240

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    Quote Originally Posted by N2 Welding View Post
    Then don't burn the wire back LOL. Watch the arc and notice when the arc characteristic changes. I presume you will experience less burn back to the tip after you start using the Bernard consumables.

    I am ok with using the smaller fusion velocity tips for quick light duty welds that don't require a lot of heat. I have seen the burn back from over heated tips now and lucky me I saw it right away and adjusted my stick out and prevented a wire sticking to and clogging up the tip.
    I was only getting the burnback in the beginning before I got the settings somewhat figured out and then I was good. However, my limited experience with the 220 Fusion gun is this, the nozzle boogers up quick and restricts gas flow, often cleaning is required. And it does get hot fast at the higher end! I started to feel feeding issues when it got hot.
    Tweco Fabricator 211i
    Miller Trailblazer 302 Diesel
    65' SA200 project
    Victor O/A

  5. #105
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Location
    Martha Lake, WA
    Posts
    181

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    I see that there is are adjustable slip nozzles available for the 220 gun, does anybody know anything about them? I am hesitant to put any money into consumables as I may do the mod to the standard tips to the gun, but if I could get adjustability and better performance by switching to the other tip design I might be interested. It also looks like the nozzle slips back and forth so you can change stickout without having to have different nozzles?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
    Tweco Fabricator 211i
    AMT radial arm drill press
    AMT belt/disk sander
    HF 4X6 bandsaw

  6. #106
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    CA
    Posts
    2,779

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    OK I got the .030 - .035 liner today and it turns out I already had a single .035 Velocity tip that I forgot about. I asked the welding supply about 98/2 they said it"s not too much more than 75/25 and they said it is generally used for 1/2" material and up as it is a hot gas. 98% Argon 2% Oxygen.
    '65 Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DC
    ESAB REBEL EMP 215ic
    L-tec PCM-DVi 40A plasma
    Victor Performer O/A
    Lincoln Viking 4C 3350

  7. #107
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    1,490

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    Quote Originally Posted by N2 Welding View Post
    OK I got the .030 - .035 liner today and it turns out I already had a single .035 Velocity tip that I forgot about. I asked the welding supply about 98/2 they said it"s not too much more than 75/25 and they said it is generally used for 1/2" material and up as it is a hot gas. 98% Argon 2% Oxygen.
    My three attached spray arc weld picks, in this thread, were all ran on 1/4". Two of those welds were with 98/2 oxy. 3/16" is as thin as I go for spray arc. Your unit really isn't designed to be a spray arc unit. You have the available voltage to spray in the 180 -200 amp range, however, your unit only has a 25% duty cycle @ around 200 amps. For hobbyist use , it may take you years to use a bottle of 98/2. I've probably had my current 155 bottle of C10 for over 5 yrs. It's getting close to empty. Even though I don't use it that often I still plan on having the bottle re- filled with a spray arc gas. I am thinking about going back to 98/2. My Migmaster 250 with its 80% duty cycle @ 200 amps is my spray arc unit. I have done some spray recently, at around 200amps, for my Dad using my Ironman 230. It has a 45% duty cycle @ 200amps though. With over 27 volts available at 200 amps, my Fabricator 211i has the potential to produce spray, but since it is a lighter duty unit, like your Rebel, I won't put it through that stress.
    Last edited by Dan; 05-11-2017 at 10:27 PM.
    ESAB Migmaster 250
    Hobart Ironman 230
    TWECO Fabricator 181i & 211i
    HH125EZ - nice little fluxcore only unit


    Maxstar 150 STH - very nice

  8. #108
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    CA
    Posts
    2,779

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    Well I was not expecting any miraculous spray arc but am always hopefull to be able to squeez every possible inch out of it once I know what it can and can not do. I have yet to push the machine with in reasonable limits of duty cycles and don't plan on pushing it any time soon. Most of my projects are not big enough to push it for too long any way. I am stoked to finally be able to try the Medium duty Velocity consumables to see just how much better they may perform over the standard light duty fusion consumables.

    Heck I still have yet to try the rolls of flux core and dual shield i got at Fabtech last year. I am hoping the Velocity consumables will allow me to see the Rebel's full potential
    Last edited by N2 Welding; 05-11-2017 at 09:56 PM.
    '65 Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DC
    ESAB REBEL EMP 215ic
    L-tec PCM-DVi 40A plasma
    Victor Performer O/A
    Lincoln Viking 4C 3350

  9. #109
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Location
    Martha Lake, WA
    Posts
    181

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    Quote Originally Posted by jrporter View Post
    I see that there is are adjustable slip nozzles available for the 220 gun, does anybody know anything about them? I am hesitant to put any money into consumables as I may do the mod to the standard tips to the gun, but if I could get adjustability and better performance by switching to the other tip design I might be interested. It also looks like the nozzle slips back and forth so you can change stickout without having to have different nozzles?
    Well, I don't know how I messed up that paste, but here is the link I meant to attach showing the adjustable nozzles.
    http://www.esabna.com/shared/documen...ds/64-1414.pdf
    Tweco Fabricator 211i
    AMT radial arm drill press
    AMT belt/disk sander
    HF 4X6 bandsaw

  10. #110
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Posts
    240

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    Quote Originally Posted by jrporter View Post
    Well, I don't know how I messed up that paste, but here is the link I meant to attach showing the adjustable nozzles.
    http://www.esabna.com/shared/documen...ds/64-1414.pdf
    IMO, i wouldnt bother with any of that small velocity stuff. Upgrade from the get go. Go shopping on the big auction site. You could probably get a whole new gun for a little more then what you would spend to upgrade the stock 220 fusion gun I would think.
    Tweco Fabricator 211i
    Miller Trailblazer 302 Diesel
    65' SA200 project
    Victor O/A

  11. #111
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    CA
    Posts
    2,779

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    I ran a couple beads last night with the new liner and medium velocity consumables. I noticed some burn back on the first bead. I tightened the drive roll a smidget more and ran another bead with no burn back. I'm wondering if spatter is popping up to the tip causing the burn back. Is that even possible?

    jrporter if you like the consumables by all means get more of them. As mentioned the light duty velocity tips don't handle heat well when pushed to the mid to upper end of your machines abilities and there is always the spatter clogging up the nozzle issue you will always have.
    Last edited by N2 Welding; 05-12-2017 at 10:41 AM.
    '65 Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DC
    ESAB REBEL EMP 215ic
    L-tec PCM-DVi 40A plasma
    Victor Performer O/A
    Lincoln Viking 4C 3350

  12. #112
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    1,490

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    Quote Originally Posted by N2 Welding View Post
    I ran a couple beads last night with the new liner and medium velocity consumables. I noticed some burn back on the first bead. I tightened the drive roll a smidget more and ran another bead with no burn back. I'm wondering if spatter is popping up to the tip causing the burn back. Is that even possible?

    jrporter if you like the consumables by all means get more of them. As mentioned the light duty velocity tips don't handle heat well when pushed to the mid to upper end of your machines abilities and there is always the spatter clogging up the nozzle issue you will always have.
    Yeah, it is possible to get spatter in the bore of the contact tip that'll cause feeding issues. If I am remembering correctly, the Rebel uses the same drive rolls as the Fabricator 181i and 211i. If true, the smooth groove drive roll tend to requite a pretty high spring tension on the pressure roll. You might try the knurled drive roll with light spring tension. My Migmaster 250 is a dual drive system with a smooth upper pressure roller, and I pretty much always run a lower knurled drive roll on it. Had my 181i sitting on top of my Migmaster due to the steep drop the gun lead took toward the floor, from the 181i being so high up off the floor, I experienced some feeding issues. Switched to a knurled drive roll and the problem disappeared. In the end I plan on making a short height cart for the 181i and 211i . This cart may have a sloped deck, that elevates the rear of the machine, to help give the gun lead a gentler curve in it from the machine to the floor.
    ESAB Migmaster 250
    Hobart Ironman 230
    TWECO Fabricator 181i & 211i
    HH125EZ - nice little fluxcore only unit


    Maxstar 150 STH - very nice

  13. #113
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    CA
    Posts
    2,779

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    I had the knurled roller on for a while and was having spatter issues so I went back to the smooth roller thinking that the little grooves from the knurled roller could have been contributing to the spatter. Being that i have no formal experience or training with the mig process I am trying every thing i can think of to minimize spatter. I am trying to eliminate every possible cause of spatter short of taking the machine to the shop and having it looked at. I am learning all this on the fly with the Rebel as my first mig. I can put the knurled drive roll back on now to try and eliminate the feeding issue. I will worry about spatter later.

    With regards to gun cable being flexed a lot coming out of the machine gives me an idea to make a nice little boom for my welding cart.
    '65 Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DC
    ESAB REBEL EMP 215ic
    L-tec PCM-DVi 40A plasma
    Victor Performer O/A
    Lincoln Viking 4C 3350

  14. #114
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Posts
    240

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    I ran some beads and the machine is a whole new animal. So much so, I dumped the .030 roll and installed the .035 L56. I dialed in 300IPM at 18.5V and got this on 3/16. The arc didnt have the audio I was looking for but it looks decent. Basically need to start over again with settings.

    free adult image hostingcertificity.com
    image hosting freecertificity.com
    Last edited by Mcm308; 05-12-2017 at 03:45 PM.
    Tweco Fabricator 211i
    Miller Trailblazer 302 Diesel
    65' SA200 project
    Victor O/A

  15. #115
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    CA
    Posts
    2,779

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    Looks good Mcm


    I successfully cut and etched those maxed out welds see pic below.

    Last night I was welding at different wire feed speeds and experienced what I think was arc blow and got to thinking I was probably not having feeding issues when welding those beads from the last pictures I posted. This time I got a lot of porosity as well. I did not take pics yet.

    Name:  20170516_133201.jpg
Views: 60
Size:  43.2 KBName:  20170516_133258.jpg
Views: 62
Size:  49.2 KB
    Last edited by N2 Welding; 05-17-2017 at 11:39 AM.
    '65 Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DC
    ESAB REBEL EMP 215ic
    L-tec PCM-DVi 40A plasma
    Victor Performer O/A
    Lincoln Viking 4C 3350

  16. #116
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Posts
    44

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    how i set tension on my mig...

    gun nozzle about 1 inch from block of wood.

    Pull trigger....wire should slip on rollers, when it hits wood.

    Briefly press trigger, should have about 3/8 stickout....length of wire protruding from nozzle.

    my 2 cents

    Charl

  17. #117
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    1,490

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    Quote Originally Posted by N2 Welding View Post
    Looks good Mcm


    I successfully cut and etched those maxed out welds see pic below.

    Last night I was welding at different wire feed speeds and experienced what I think was arc blow and got to thinking I was probably not having feeding issues when welding those beads from the last pictures I posted. This time I got a lot of porosity as well. I did not take pics yet.

    Name:  20170516_133201.jpg
Views: 60
Size:  43.2 KBName:  20170516_133258.jpg
Views: 62
Size:  49.2 KB
    Arc blow generally occurs at the beginning or end of a weld joint. With MIG short arc I've noticed that arc blow seems to occur more frequently with a softer style arc (higher inductance) then it does with a crisper style arc (lower inductance).
    ESAB Migmaster 250
    Hobart Ironman 230
    TWECO Fabricator 181i & 211i
    HH125EZ - nice little fluxcore only unit


    Maxstar 150 STH - very nice

  18. #118
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    CA
    Posts
    2,779

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    Interesting. I had at one point set the inductance at 50% then all the way up to 100%. Unfortunately I don't recall where it was set when I was experiencing this but if I had to guess I would say 100%. I will put the inductance back to 35% and continue practicing.
    '65 Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DC
    ESAB REBEL EMP 215ic
    L-tec PCM-DVi 40A plasma
    Victor Performer O/A
    Lincoln Viking 4C 3350

  19. #119
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    1,490

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    Quote Originally Posted by N2 Welding View Post
    Interesting. I had at one point set the inductance at 50% then all the way up to 100%. Unfortunately I don't recall where it was set when I was experiencing this but if I had to guess I would say 100%. I will put the inductance back to 35% and continue practicing.
    No need to leave the inductance set to the factory default. 35 - 50 could be a big jump. Try making smaller adjustments of 5 to start with. A slight adjustment could make a significant improvement in arc quality. On my 211i a small adjustment can make a noticeable difference.
    ESAB Migmaster 250
    Hobart Ironman 230
    TWECO Fabricator 181i & 211i
    HH125EZ - nice little fluxcore only unit


    Maxstar 150 STH - very nice

  20. #120
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    CA
    Posts
    2,779

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    Here are all the problems I had a couple of nights ago.

    Name:  20170518_175603.jpg
Views: 38
Size:  63.7 KBName:  20170518_175659.jpg
Views: 38
Size:  63.9 KBName:  20170518_175759.jpg
Views: 38
Size:  64.3 KBName:  20170518_175901.jpg
Views: 38
Size:  64.2 KB
    '65 Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DC
    ESAB REBEL EMP 215ic
    L-tec PCM-DVi 40A plasma
    Victor Performer O/A
    Lincoln Viking 4C 3350

  21. #121
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    CA
    Posts
    2,779

    Re: Fabricator 211i , Having a real hard time..

    Here are the other welds form that same practice session that don't looks half bad.

    Name:  20170518_175621(0).jpg
Views: 38
Size:  68.5 KBName:  20170518_175646.jpg
Views: 38
Size:  69.4 KBName:  20170518_175834.jpg
Views: 38
Size:  61.3 KBName:  20170518_175849.jpg
Views: 38
Size:  55.3 KBName:  20170518_175917.jpg
Views: 38
Size:  62.8 KB
    '65 Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DC
    ESAB REBEL EMP 215ic
    L-tec PCM-DVi 40A plasma
    Victor Performer O/A
    Lincoln Viking 4C 3350

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
RSS | Home | Penton Media | Contact Us | Subscribe | For Advertisers | Terms of Use | Privacy Statement