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    Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    Guys,

    Does anyone have this machine that could tell me what this part # is so I can see if I can locate one? See attached picts to show what's missing.....first is Duane's 100XL, second is mine 100XL plus with missing part.......HF points?

    I already downloaded the TD service manual, but only shows schematic for total electrics, not specific CD PCB 19X1664 schematics.Name:  attachment.jpg
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    Any help really appreciated! Thanks for your time.

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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    would it be possible to post up the schematic? this would give us more of a clue as to what it is... just look for anything connected to the big cap. C1(4000V .22uf)

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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    Couldn't pull apart the files....here's total schematic. Thanks

    http://www.esabna.com/eu/literature/...0xl%20plus.pdf

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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    yeah, that schematic doesn't cover the details on the CD board but it is the board the generates the power to drive the T3 transformer for cutting with the two black wires(E1 & E2 spade terminals) and it looks like the missing component is inline with e2... like some protection component would be.... but here again I'm just guessing with limited knowledge on how this works

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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    Ok, did a little searching to find more info on the CD board.... and came across this page in the service manual and noticed they mention 'spark gap' Looks like Duane's hunch was right, the points are there probably to make sure sufficient voltage is reached before going to the torch... I don't know.. just guessing again

    Took a while to finally figure out what the 'SG1'marking was on that board...

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    oh, here is the service manual:http://www.esabna.com/eu/literature/...lus%20(ce).pdf
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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    Ronsii, thank you so much for doing that....I appreciate it! Now at least I can start to look for that part and see if one exists w/o getting a full board? Well see.

    Thanks, Adam
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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    Quote Originally Posted by NYsignman View Post
    Ronsii, thank you so much for doing that....I appreciate it! Now at least I can start to look for that part and see if one exists w/o getting a full board? Well see.

    Thanks, Adam
    couldnt you remove the components and then contact a supply such as this one( just a random google search) https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...szJ9JfNRZu8Kl- and send them pictures or the actual components to get replacements?
    I have built many electronic boards for robot kits and most of the components are standard supply from these companies if you needed replacement parts..

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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    Hobby, I did a quick reconnoiter of some places I order from like digikey,all, jameco and a few others of course but didn't come up with much unfortunately.... some sort of part number would probably make the part jump out from hiding and it probably is something you could get from the manufacturer fairly easily.... or maybe they're hard to come by and that's why the airgas tech grabbed it I mean misplaced it....

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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    Yeah, I wondered why it wasn't returned to the guy I bought it from, but was told it was cooked or looked cooked anyway. It would be great to get a part # from an existing machine so I can search better.....we'll see. I looked throughout the other manual you sent and couldn't get a part # that I could see. Thanks again...and again! : )

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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    I'm sure someone with more experience than me will pop in sooner or later and shed some light on it

    There are quite a few tests/verifications in the tech manual that would be a good idea to go through just to head off any other issues...

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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    NYsignman,

    I suggest you call Esab's tech support and ask to speak to Gene (sorry can't remember his last name) He's a long-time Thermal Dynamics tech support guy who's extremely knowledgeable. Hopefully he's not retired yet. He may be able to help you out.

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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    AGW thank you. I had an Ebay board seller tell me that the HF points aren't available by themselves, but will reach out to Esab and confirm. If anyone has an old machine or board, please let me know. Thanks again for everyone's help.

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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    AGW, Gene's last name is Wright, I just emailed with him. He told me the PC Board number is #9-7517, and that no loose parts were sold from a PC board, so I'd have to locate an NOS one or used. Maybe he'll think of something or someone to send me to....we'll see?

    Thanks

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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    Wright......yeah that's it. thanks

    9-7517 huh? I don't want to give you any false hope, but give me a couple days and I possibly may find one. I retired back in Dec and will have to see if they'll let me go thru the scrap boxes to see if there's one. Although I haven't worked on a 100xl in a few years but I'll look and see.

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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    I just did a quick search with that part num... and.... amazon...
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    Holy #$%$#$%#$ they're proud of it!!!!


    I did find other places listing it for 5-600$ but stilll!!!!

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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    Yeah, I did the same search and came with those 2 also.....and also agree OUCH. I'm not in that big a rush and will try to see if someone has that HF box also.....it just screws back onto board, so I can't see why it wasn't sold separately, except for TD money reasons. It seems that the HF points were used on a few PakMaster series PCB boards, maybe someone has one?

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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    Maybe you could make one out of some tig tungsten of the appropriate size. If someone knows the gap distance it probably wouldn't be too difficult. You would just have to make the plastic holder. You could probably use some HDPE for the holder.
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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    Quote Originally Posted by NYsignman View Post
    Guys,

    Does anyone have this machine that could tell me what this part # is so I can see if I can locate one? See attached picts to show what's missing.....first is Duane's 100XL, second is mine 100XL plus with missing part.......HF points?

    I already downloaded the TD service manual, but only shows schematic for total electrics, not specific CD PCB 19X1664 schematics.Name:  attachment.jpg
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    Any help really appreciated! Thanks for your time.
    I can't even count the number of these I have thrown in the dumpster as trade ins. TD always pair $1 per amp as a trade in. I would bet that if you let a few distributors know that you need a used board. They would save a couple machines for you. too bad. i used to save all of this stuff and last year i decided to throw it all out. I do still have a few faceplate boards and a contactor or 2. Good Luck.

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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    Couldn't find a CD board. Sorry

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    Re: Thermal Dynamics Pak Master 100XL PLUS.......help

    Guys, sorry for not getting back sooner. I did get it to fire up (bypassing this board) and wave light flashed green and went solid. I found someone with just he HF points box (actually metal and not plastic) and will be doing a test run shortly. I want to thank you all for the help and looks for me....I really appreciate it.

    If anyone still has an old machine, parts, etc for this, I would be interested in them for the future.

    Thank you

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