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    I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    I really love my old Idealarc 250. But the leads are only 15' long. That's fine for use inside the garage or at the welding table. But I need to reach out into the driveway to work on other projects. I think a 50' reach would do just fine. So I'd like to order 100' of #2 cable. Who's got the best prices on cable? Who do you recommend?
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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    Something to consider is if your Idealarc250 is on a undercarriage of some type and you can roll it to the door or apron of your shop it might be cheaper to buy long 6-3 SO power cord so you won’t need to buy double the quantity of welding lead. I have 35’ of 6-3 on my Idealarc and 60’ of 1/0 on stinger and 40’ of the same on the ground


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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    I just bought dinse plugs for extending my leads by 50 ft. I have 4/0 cable and I pay $2.50 a foot. 4 gauge costs me 89 cents a foot.
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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    My Idealarc is on a roller cart. I also added stud to tweco adapters on mine. I got rid of the bolt on lead connections. All my cables had tweco connections on them. Just add lengths as I need them.
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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    ^ Tweco connections and 50' leads are the way to go with those heavy cables. A couple of super flexi 15' whips for ground and stinger and your good to go. I have two double 0 100' I use on occasion for starter leads if going far out, although not very often nowadays. Much easier to get closer to the work than it used to be for some reason

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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    Thanks for the replies. My garage is pretty crowded with stuff which makes it a real pain to move the machine out and closer to the driveway. It could be done, just a pain. For a lot of what I do, the 15' leads are fine. I like idea of being able to extend them as needed. I've never really looked at Tweco and Dinse connectors. But if I could put them on the existing leads, at maybe the 12' point, then I could either plug in the 3' stinger and ground clamp leads, or an additional 35' leads as needed. Does that sound feasible? Which type of connectors would be best for this? Here is my machine.
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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    Sounds very reasonable, every shop situation is different. I would go with the Tweco twist locks. They are available online many places


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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    Get rid of those bolt on connections. Your lws will have stud to tweco adapters.


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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    Tweco Male Cable Connectors w/ Terminal Lugs, Sizes #1 #2 #3 #4, 1-MPC-1, 1-AF https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06X9YSKGT..._iS7hBbY84JXKM

    This is what I put on my Idealarc at the machine. Then you need to get additional male/female sets for your extra leads. You will see that it doesn’t take long to have lots of $$$ in connectors.


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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    Electron beam technologies EB-Flex (not including shipping)

    2g (35 mm sq) EBT Part No. 69-PXL...... $1.21 per foot
    1g (43 mm sq) EBT Part No. 84-PXL...... $1.48 per foot
    1/0 (54 mm sq) EBT Part No. 107-PXL...... $1.87 per foot

    Restrictions apply (minimum length 25' per size/color). Anything less than 100' is shipped at 25' or 50' or 75' or 100'. Ask a question or place your order with "Customer Service" at 815-935-2211

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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    Quote Originally Posted by ndnchf View Post
    I really love my old Idealarc 250. But the leads are only 15' long. That's fine for use inside the garage or at the welding table. But I need to reach out into the driveway to work on other projects. I think a 50' reach would do just fine. So I'd like to order 100' of #2 cable. Who's got the best prices on cable? Who do you recommend?
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    cost of 100 feet of cable is not cheap plus its heavy. i got a little inverter welder carry one handed or use shoulder strap and it uses a 50 foot 10 ga extension cord.
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    i have had jobs carrying heavy 440 volt primary extension cord weighing over 100 lbs plus over 100 lbs of secondary welding cable and had to deal with welding machine weighing over a ton have its wheels break and it fall on a little pot hole in a drive way needing a crane to pick it up and put wheel back on.......... really life is easier with little inverter welder you can carry one handed even go up a ladder with it. like how often you really got to have over 150 amps ?

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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    If there’s any factories or production plants in your area that are being sold or demolished they well usually sell you leads at scrap price or cheaper that’s where I got most of mine.. I do a lot of elevated conveyor belt welding and dry bulk tank repairs so I usually have at least 200’ of stinger if not more and 100’ of ground


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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    I think their nuts what they're getting for those Tweco connectors these days, and unless you need to disconnect your cables a lot just go with something like this. Connect these on top of your existing leads and just roll the long cables up out of the way and use your short cables for bench work, and forget about all that splicing.

    https://www.amazon.com/Hobart-195195.../dp/B000PDQK9C
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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    Yes those connectors are expensive. I don't expect to be changing cables often. I'm just a little frustrated at the moment. I want to do some welding on my trailer. The Idealarc leads are too short, and my 110v Lincoln MIG is not up to the task. Starting to think about a more capable, 220v MIG. I'm an old school guy and love using the old Idealarc. I will probably get the longer cables. I'm sure I'll have a lot more use for it when I can reach out. I appreciate everyone's comments.
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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldendum View Post
    Electron beam technologies EB-Flex (not including shipping)

    2g (35 mm sq) EBT Part No. 69-PXL...... $1.21 per foot
    1g (43 mm sq) EBT Part No. 84-PXL...... $1.48 per foot
    1/0 (54 mm sq) EBT Part No. 107-PXL...... $1.87 per foot

    Restrictions apply (minimum length 25' per size/color). Anything less than 100' is shipped at 25' or 50' or 75' or 100'. Ask a question or place your order with "Customer Service" at 815-935-2211

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    I buy my leads here as well. Very high quality. I would recommend you download the Lincoln owners manual for your Idealarc250 and look at the cable sizing chart. Don’t put smaller cables than recommended. I probably went heavier than necessary with 1/0 but it works well for me


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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    https://www.lincolnelectric.com/asse...oln3/im206.pdf


    Here’s the manual for your machine


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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    I have the manual, it shows #3 cable for 0' to 100' length, #2 for 100' to 150', #1 for 150' to 200' and 1/0 for 200' to 250'. So #2 is fine for my purpose. EBT sounds like the place to go. Thanks guys.
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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    #2 should be OK.

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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldendum View Post
    Electron beam technologies EB-Flex (not including shipping)

    2g (35 mm sq) EBT Part No. 69-PXL...... $1.21 per foot
    1g (43 mm sq) EBT Part No. 84-PXL...... $1.48 per foot
    1/0 (54 mm sq) EBT Part No. 107-PXL...... $1.87 per foot

    Restrictions apply (minimum length 25' per size/color). Anything less than 100' is shipped at 25' or 50' or 75' or 100'. Ask a question or place your order with "Customer Service" at 815-935-2211

    https://www.facebook.com/Electron-Be...2082121139733/


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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    I've been out of town the latsst 4 days, but I just checked the EBT facebook page and they just posted a sale of end lots of cable. I was going to order 100', but got a 125' end piece for $1.13 a foot and this includes the shipping! See below:


    FINAL NOTICE: Clearance Sale!!! SALE ENDS JUNE 30, 2018......Shipping included in the Continental US!!
    All factory new, end lots. No partials, must take one of the lots, full length. No limit.
    When ordering advise, this is from “Clearance Sale”
    While supply lasts. Don’t hesitate we might run out!
    Call Customer service at 1-815-935-2211

    4/0 BLACK @ $3.22 per foot ….25’……25’

    3/0 BLACK @ $2.68 per foot …. 75’… 75’…100’…. 100’…. 100’…..100’….100’ ….125’….125’…. 250’

    1 g BLACK @ $1.33 per foot: ….. 25’….50’……75’

    2 g BLACK @ $1.13 per foot ….. 25’….125’……125’…...170’…. 175’…..195’

    4/ g BLACK @ $0.73per foot: ….100’…..100’…..125’…. 125’…..125’….150’…. 200’….. 200’’
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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    Nice!!! You will not be disappointed. Very good quality.
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    Re: I need longer cables for my old Lincoln Idealarc 250

    Here's an old pic before I restored my machines earlier in the year. You can see 4ga on the Buzzbox and Idealarc 250 and 4/0 on the Idealarc 300. I had a little test clamp on the 250 that day. I really like having the 4/0 on the big machine, but it's overkill for even that (375 amps max). 2/0 seems to be the best all around size for most anything and much cheaper than 4/0.

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