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  1. #676
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    I say purchase the welder you want, or can afford. That Hobart Handler 210MVP is a good machine. A buddy has one and loves it!
    Off topic >>> I notice a large portion of Miller owners, but NOT all Miller owners, are like Snap-On folks...Arrogant and blinded to other makes and models of tools (welding equipment).
    Its like the old chevy argument... we've all heard this one..."I wouldn't own anything but a chevy". My thought on this?... "Good for you".

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by N2 Welding View Post
    I use stone tools when that's all that's needed LOL... There is nothing wrong with wanting the good old reliability of a transformer based machine. Especially if it is just used and owned by a shade tree mechanic or home hobbyist. I mean seriousely if you are not welding for a living and making money hand over fist using your machines on a daily basis then there is no real world need "edit: requirement" for all the fancy doohickies of the inverter based machines that will inevitably fail and cause the end user grief when they have to fork out some more cash to buy another machine not to mention figuring out what the next machine will be. Then you have to get accustomed to the new machine and all it's little nuances.
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by joe3 View Post
    Its like the old chevy argument... we've all heard this one..."I wouldn't own anything but a chevy". My thought on this?... "Good for you".
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Well if we are going to compare cars to tools, lets just say that HF products are right up there with the Yugo. For those that buy the new Vulcans, I truly hope you have good luck with them.

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Respectfully, this is a Harbor Freight Vulcan thread, not a transformer shill thread.

    The recent and elusive welding web poll measured HF 86% approval rating amongst WW members and HF haters at 6%.

    I didn’t vote in the poll but I predict the Vulcan line in 900 stores will be a game changer.

    And a peek on Alibaba says Vulcans are a tiny fraction of the variety of welding machines being manufactured outside the US.

    As the Chinas adopt the principals of W. Edwards Deming . . . .

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Welding Water View Post
    Respectfully, this is a Harbor Freight Vulcan thread, not a transformer shill thread.

    The recent and elusive welding web poll measured HF 86% approval rating amongst WW members and HF haters at 6%.

    I didn’t vote in the poll but I predict the Vulcan line in 900 stores will be a game changer.

    And a peek on Alibaba says Vulcans are a tiny fraction of the variety of welding machines being manufactured outside the US.

    As the Chinas adopt the principals of W. Edwards Deming . . . .
    Being Deming trained (forced) I agree with your post. He used his philosophy to build Japan into a high quality exporter. Deming always preached that the definition of quality is "Low Variability". So far in my travels. He has been right.

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    New Hobart welders coming out are from China, now where are all the China bashers.
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    I'm not even a China basher. I also wouldn't buy one of the new Hobart stickmates because I'm just leery of inverters. Now one of the transformer models that are on clearance interests me. I simply prefer to do business with a company that has a network of service centers and a history of serving the customer.

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by oak1971 View Post
    New Hobart welders coming out are from China, now where are all the China bashers.
    That's just like the Honda EU2000I suitcase generators. A beautiful piece of equipment. Now made in Thailand. Its on the box and on the generator.
    The Yamaha suit case generator, the EF2000IS,also a beautiful piece of equipment is made in China and made well! Its says on the box and also on the product.
    Bash away! Especially you hard core Miller guys.

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rondo View Post
    Being Deming trained (forced) I agree with your post. He used his philosophy to build Japan into a high quality exporter. Deming always preached that the definition of quality is "Low Variability". So far in my travels. He has been right.
    I am a disciple of Demming. People ignore him at their peril. Look for inverters to find favor as Demming has his day. Transformers will find a niche in industrial welders where there is more margin.
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by oak1971 View Post
    New Hobart welders coming out are from China, now where are all the China bashers.
    Hobart and Miller have only been "assembled" here for years. Engine drives included as well as most Smith regulators. Simple proof is to go look at the box they come in. It plainly says Assembled in USA. Now they will be full Import like every other brand.

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    So, 28 pages of useless crap, when someone googles Vulcan Reviews. This thread is the #1 result, so that's what I just did, before logging in right now.

    For those using the warranty as a selling point for Squarewave 200 vs ProTIG200, people don't know how to cheat the system.

    For the same price as the Squarewave 200 at my LWS ($1522), I can have a 15 (14) year warranty on the ProTIG 200.

    WHAT YOU SAY?!

    Yeah! So with a 2 year replacement plan, it comes out to $980. That leaves $542 difference from the Syncrowave. At the end of the three years (I'm not really sure that works, or if the two years start on date of purchase like everything else), you make up some simple story about how it doesn't weld anymore. 95% of the employees do not know how to use 80% of the tools in the store. They don't care really.

    So you have your replacement in hand, you CAN by a 2 year replacement on the new one in hand. BOOM!

    So with that $542, you can do that 6 times, for 12 years warranty, and still have $62 left over.

    When I was going to school for welding, I worked nights and weekends at HFT. In fact, I'm about to start again because I miss the discounts.

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by joe3 View Post
    That's just like the Honda EU2000I suitcase generators. A beautiful piece of equipment. Now made in Thailand. Its on the box and on the generator.
    The Yamaha suit case generator, the EF2000IS,also a beautiful piece of equipment is made in China and made well! Its says on the box and also on the product.
    Bash away! Especially you hard core Miller guys.
    Last time I was in the Yamaha shop..(2017)all their generators were made in Japan. (sitting right next to the flagship R1-M made in Japan too)That included the EF2000is So maybe not all of the production is made in China.. Thailand builds many Kawasaki motorcycles, and are as good as Japan made units.

    Now looking at the HF units,,seems kind of cheap feeling in build quality overall. Does not mean, they don't work well though..
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Yes HF prices have been going up. The son took the business over with a huge farher son lawsuit a few years ago.

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