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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Welding Water View Post
    45 minutes of that guy? I’d rather have my teeth drilled.
    That's putting it mildly......A " legend in his own mind" .....wannabe welder huckstering a substandard product made by " child slave labor" in good ol' CHINA.........

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Another youtube review that I saw.
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Wish the reviewer would quit mincing words...

    If you really decide to buy this piece of garbage,
    so God help you...
    Once you buy it you need a new welding gun...
    in reality you need so many things- a new welder
    the arc quality is just sh--
    Never buy the Orange


    Gee- I was hoping he wouldn't sugar coat it and tell us what he really thinks...
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Yeah,

    And somhow just stating things that way wasn't really convincing, to me.

    But he did show off the Ammeter quite a bit.


    Quote Originally Posted by 455dan View Post
    Wish the reviewer would quit mincing words...

    If you really decide to buy this piece of garbage,
    so God help you...
    Once you buy it you need a new welding gun...
    in reality you need so many things- a new welder
    the arc quality is just sh--
    Never buy the Orange


    Gee- I was hoping he wouldn't sugar coat it and tell us what he really thinks...
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Livingstone View Post
    Yeah,

    And somhow just stating things that way wasn't really convincing, to me.

    But he did show off the Ammeter quite a bit.
    His already formed bias against the machine was over the top and completely obvious.

    Meanwhile, the Miller failed. "Just wish it would last longer". That's your criticism? Just wish it would last longer? Ok. Credibility zero. This was less watchable than ChuckE rambling 45 minutes.

    He was so hung up on PFC lies the mfrs print on the machines. He'd have a stroke if the subject matter was all the 5 to 6 horsepower shop vacs running around.

    PFC is good info, if just presented to let the audience digest and prioritize the importance themselves. Gotta have an immaturity/bias HEPA filter to get useful info from a lot of these reviews.

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheWeldingConnector View Post
    Another youtube review that I saw.
    I’m shocked to hear the warning of $1,100 circuit board to fix the Millermatic 200. So parts are available but over-priced. In a way, that’s the equivalent of no support, at least for that particular MM200. No wonder he tried the other three brands.

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    The MM200 isn't the equivalent machine. The MM215 is. That's not anywhere near "apples to apples".
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by tkevan View Post
    The MM200 isn't the equivalent machine. The MM215 is. That's not anywhere near "apples to apples".
    How so?

    The Multimatic 200 seems to do the same processes at about the same amperages (or less) with about the same duty cycles.

    The only thing I see separating it from the others is cost of repair being as much or more than the new price of the other machines.

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Welding Water View Post
    How so?

    The Multimatic 200 seems to do the same processes at about the same amperages (or less) with about the same duty cycles.

    The only thing I see separating it from the others is cost of repair being as much or more than the new price of the other machines.
    Has any one looked into the cost of replacement parts i.e. main board, drive motors, rheostats etc etc etc if they are even available???
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by N2 Welding View Post
    Has any one looked into the cost of replacement parts i.e. main board, drive motors, rheostats etc etc etc if they are even available???
    If you mean Harbor Freight, I doubt they have parts yet and won’t need any for a year until warranty is up on oldest machine without extended warranty. They just swap you a new machine at the store during the warranty period according to the store manager.

    They also have a parts department but no repair or troubleshooting according to the store manager.

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by N2 Welding View Post
    Has any one looked into the cost of replacement parts i.e. main board, drive motors, rheostats etc etc etc if they are even available???
    My understanding is that there really won't be replacements for internal parts (at least, not from Harbor Freight). It sounds like during warranty period (one, two or three years, depending on whether or not you purchase an extended warranty), they will swap out the entire machine. After that, out of luck it if fails.

    Hopefully this is wrong, and replacement boards and such will be available down the road, but I'm not going to count on it.

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    So what happens to all the broken units?
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Scrap yard,replace it for 7 or 8 hundred, price a board or computer or whatever there called on a miller esab or Lincoln on a 3 yr old machine and hope you or the tech working on it are right on your diagnosis gonna be real pricey guarantee its more than the China freight machine and what's the warranty on a repair, don't get me wrong I buy the best I can afford and American but the ****in on parts prices and availability also yearly price increases warranted or not a few percent or more, more than the economy grows

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by N2 Welding View Post
    So what happens to all the broken units?
    Miller or Vulcan? There are vendors on Ebay who seem to be specialists in buying HF customer returns in pallet load quantities (all sorts of HF products) and cobbling together salable units. At the prices they could get for 'reconditioned' Vulcans, they could afford an hour or so of electronics board-level repairs if needed. More likely, replacing smoked inexpensive generic components - rectifiers etc - would restore performance. I doubt many customer returns would go to the dump.
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Ah ok. I always wondered what HF did with all the returns.
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    I wonder why you buy welder that being return all time
    To many parts to go bad
    They need to keep simple


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    Quote Originally Posted by N2 Welding View Post
    Ah ok. I always wondered what HF did with all the returns.
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Welding Water View Post
    How so?

    The Multimatic 200 seems to do the same processes at about the same amperages (or less) with about the same duty cycles.

    The only thing I see separating it from the others is cost of repair being as much or more than the new price of the other machines.
    Notwithstanding this failure, the MM200 is built to be a truly mobile machine, hence the "Pelican" case. It's meant to tossed in the back of the truck, van, etc. Try that with the MP210, Everlast, or even the MM215. It weights 2/3 of the MP210, barely more than half the Everlast or Vulcan. It's not in the same class as these. The Miller Multimatic 215 is the equivalent machine from Miller to compare.
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    OK, so they’re all portable but the MM200 is lighter, in a different class, and can be tossed.

    And thou shalt not compare it to any other welders.

    Am I right or Amarilla?

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Yeah,

    The MM200 may have similar specs to the other MIG/Multis, so you could consider it comparable for that reason.

    But it is more costly and designed to lay on its side as much as it is in the upright position, e.g., tossed into a truck bed, which does seem to be a different class of unit, intended for harsher field work, which undoubtedly justifies the premium price to many.

    Honestly, the MM200 seems to have no competion in that respect.

    Otherwise, Lincoln seems to now have that Active8 suitcase wire feeder, which now competes with Miller's Xtreme 8VS and 12VS suitcase feeders for engine-driven units.
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Welding Water View Post
    OK, so they’re all portable but the MM200 is lighter, in a different class, and can be tossed.

    And thou shalt not compare it to any other welders.

    Am I right or Amarilla?
    No, thou shalt compare it to a comparable welder. If the MM200 was in the same class, why would Miller then release the 215 and not kill off the 200? Because it's in the class of the MP210/2221si/Omni220, and was a direct response to Lincoln and the MP210.
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    I am/was considering the 215 and 210mp. I like the 215 tig valve but after hearing they gouge you on parts, meh, also no inductance adjustment so I’m thinking getting the exact welding wire is more critical. The 210mp has inductance, but manual torch valve for tig. Maybe that’s actually a plus on stainless. Now comes the Shipwrecks Vulcan StarTrek 220. It has inductance adjust. too and 729.00, maybe drop some more on sale, and Lincoln jacked the price up from 999.00 to 1311.00 so there’s a big spread on price now. The machines are improving pretty fast and considering the China presence at Fabtech. . . . they’re the new Japan like HF is the new craftsman.

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Welding Water View Post
    I am/was considering the 215 and 210mp. I like the 215 tig valve but after hearing they gouge you on parts, meh, also no inductance adjustment so I’m thinking getting the exact welding wire is more critical. The 210mp has inductance, but manual torch valve for tig. Maybe that’s actually a plus on stainless. Now comes the Shipwrecks Vulcan StarTrek 220. It has inductance adjust. too and 729.00, maybe drop some more on sale, and Lincoln jacked the price up from 999.00 to 1311.00 so there’s a big spread on price now. The machines are improving pretty fast and considering the China presence at Fabtech. . . . they’re the new Japan like HF is the new craftsman.
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Welding machines are advancing rapidly. I’m thinking pulse on pulse and spray bronze out of a forty pound welder is right around the corner. Wouldn’t the sheet metal guys love that? My opinion, the only reason we don’t already have it is because the manufacturers are holding it back so they can continue to get many thousands for each 350 MIG unit. The Chinaman already has a $500 dynasty welder.

    I may try the StarTrek220 for a year or three just to hold me over. Shoveone said it welds great and he’s pretty well respected around here.

    Forget the guy in the video with the amp meter, his beads look as bad as mine.

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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by smithdoor View Post
    I wonder why you buy welder that being return all time
    To many parts to go bad
    They need to keep simple


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    Wrong I never said I buy those.
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    Re: New "Vulcan" welder line?

    Quote Originally Posted by N2 Welding View Post
    Wrong I never said I buy those.
    The Vulcan line has been out for a short time. I wonder how he knows they've been returned "all time"?
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