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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    There are lots out there. Keep looking. Don't rule out a Miller Dialarc 250 if one pops up. They are the same quality machine and depending on the area of the country they can be cheaper than the Lincoln


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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbytime View Post
    I have both transformer and inverter machines, I doubt you will see any brand inverter last 60 years plus.....both have there place for work..
    +1
    Love the old stuff, but my inverters are nice too

    Another vote for Dialarcs as well - weld very nice and sometimes are as little as $200.
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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    I've spotted another Idealarc 250, but its about 4 hours away. Its the nicest looking one I've seen for sale within striking distance. The guy is asking $425. What do think - good deal or not?
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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    Take the wife on a road trip and go get it


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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    If the serial is AC323--- it's a 1974 model. That's what it looks like to me


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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    And the C after the code number means it has power factor capacitors installed


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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    Quote Originally Posted by ndnchf View Post
    I've spotted another Idealarc 250, but its about 4 hours away. Its the nicest looking one I've seen for sale within striking distance. The guy is asking $425. What do think - good deal or not?
    That one is very nice. It may help you to know that the new version of it is $2,500
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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    Thanks guys. I've was trying to read the serial number too. I couldn't quite tell if it starts with a 2 or a 3. What does the power factor capacitor do for it?
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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    The power factor capacitors basically reduce amperage draw while welding but at idle it pulls more amps. For home use it really won't make much difference just don't let it idle for long stretches of time
    Do a search here and in you tube there is a great video that shows amperage draw with and without capacitors at various amperage settings.


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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    Quote Originally Posted by ndnchf View Post
    Thanks guys. I've was trying to read the serial number too. I couldn't quite tell if it starts with a 2 or a 3. What does the power factor capacitor do for it?
    It will reduce the size of breaker and wiring you need for the unit.

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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    I just did some reading on the PFCs, got it now. But it made me realize I may be biting off more than I can chew, electrically speaking. I'm in an older home with original wiring. I have a 230v 50amp circuit in my garage and that servers fine for my Alpha TIG and Plasma. But it looks like it may be inadequate for an Idealarc. Its not feasible to update the circuit without addition major upgrades that I'm not ready to do. So is the Idealarc too much? I really like them, but for my home use, I don't really NEED that much.....I just like 'em. Maybe I should look for an AC/DC tombstone or something similar?
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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    I am just guessing and going out on a limb here but, I am thinking the amp draw required (thus breaker size required) is for full/max amp output by the machine. If you will not be using the max amp output of the machine, you may be good to go with what you have in your garage as to wire size and breaker size. Like I say, I am just guessing and not totally sure.

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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    Quote Originally Posted by ndnchf View Post
    I just did some reading on the PFCs, got it now. But it made me realize I may be biting off more than I can chew, electrically speaking. I'm in an older home with original wiring. I have a 230v 50amp circuit in my garage and that servers fine for my Alpha TIG and Plasma. But it looks like it may be inadequate for an Idealarc. Its not feasible to update the circuit without addition major upgrades that I'm not ready to do. So is the Idealarc too much? I really like them, but for my home use, I don't really NEED that much.....I just like 'em. Maybe I should look for an AC/DC tombstone or something similar?
    When welding under 200 amps, the 50 amp breaker will be fine with the power factor corrected machine.
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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    Nice looking. I'd try for $375. - $400. considering the smallish leads.
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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    Quote Originally Posted by ndnchf View Post
    I have a 230v 50amp circuit
    You can burn 1/8" rod all day everyday on a 50 amp circuit.
    "You can't out puke a buzzard"

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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    That's good to ear. I'm retired from the navy, but not building a battleship! I see no need for anything larger than 1/8" rod.
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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    I've always run my Idealarcs and Dialarc machines on 50 amp circuits


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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    Quote Originally Posted by ndnchf View Post
    That's good to ear. I'm retired from the navy, but not building a battleship! I see no need for anything larger than 1/8" rod.
    Thank you for your service! If you dont mind, pm me your info of your service, MOS, etc. I would like to hear about it. Thanks!

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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    Thanks guys, good to know the 50 amp circuit will handle all my needs. Just wish it wasn't so far away. I'll think on it.
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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    Quote Originally Posted by ndnchf View Post
    ... I'm retired from the navy, but not building a battleship! ...
    My son worked for the Navy for a couple years. Men's department - USMC. There's a retired Navy guy I know up in F'burg. I'll PM you. Maybe you know him.
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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    I called and left a voice mail with the seller of that nice Idealarc, but no call back yet. May have missed out on this one too.

    I don't know much (read that as anything) about Dialarcs, but have read good things about them. I would consider one if a good deal popped up. I've seen a couple on CL, but more than I would like to spend. There is something about the style of the old Idealarcs that appeals to me. I have a garage and shop full of vintage equipment. An old Idealarc would be a good fit.
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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    To my surprise, the seller called me back and it's still available. The serial numbers ia AC-328742. He says it works great and I can test it out. Looks like a road trip Saturday morning!
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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    Great. You won't regret it
    Make sure the polarity switch works and you can feel distinct stops in the 3 positions. Make sure the on/off switch snaps good and doesn't feel gummy. Crank the amp control crank up and down and check to see it moves relatively freely and the little indicator moves as well. Also check for up/down movement on amp crank. If it's sloppy that means the shaft bushings are worn out. They are about $4 each to replace. Bottom line if it fires up and welds, buy it. These other items are potential bargaining points but not big deals


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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkie View Post
    Great. You won't regret it
    Make sure the polarity switch works and you can feel distinct stops in the 3 positions. Make sure the on/off switch snaps good and doesn't feel gummy. Crank the amp control crank up and down and check to see it moves relatively freely and the little indicator moves as well. Also check for up/down movement on amp crank. If it's sloppy that means the shaft bushings are worn out. They are about $4 each to replace. Bottom line if it fires up and welds, buy it. These other items are potential bargaining points but not big deals


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    I was just about to ask what else I should look for, but you beat me to it. The next challenge will be getting it safely loaded in my truck and secured. I'll bring plenty of tie down straps.

    Assuming all goes well and I get it home. I figure it would be prudent to remove the cover and blow out the dust, then lube the bushings and gears. Anything else while I'm inside?

    Thanks again guys
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    Re: Your thoughts on this Idealarc 250

    That's correct. Take the top and the small side panel off, the front and back panels can stay. Vacuum and/or blow the dust, dirt and debris out that's collected over the years. The gears that change amperage will have old dried grease in them that needs to be cleaned off and reapply a light coat of white lithium spray grease. On the polarity switch you will see some little rollers that are spring loaded that provides the detents, put some lithium grease on those also. The on/off switch can be cleaned with some Contact cleaner to flush the dirt out. Check the general condition of connections and look it all over. Go on Lincoln's website and download the Operator's and the separate parts manual to have for reference


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