My first welder

[caxuda]

Hello there



I'm just starting out in welding and I was thinking about purchasing a "Lincoln Invertec 170s" (with TIG func.) as the first welder.

What do you think about this machine?
Does this machine allow me to weld aluminum if i need?

By the way, what do you say about "Solter" brand compared to "Lincoln"?



Thanks for your eventual attention.
Greetings

From Portugal

[JoshD]

Lincoln does not list a 170 on their website, so either its an older model or one that is only available overseas?

I have used both the Invertec V350 Pro and the V205, both of them were very nice machines.

If it is AC/DC you can weld aluminum with it. As far as I know, the V205 is the smallest inverter with AC that Lincoln makes here in the U.S. The 155 and 160 are DC only.

[tanglediver]

"From Portugal"

It sounds like a small machine, but it should be very efficient. My transformer tig machine is rated at 165 amps, and is ok for small projects.

I am unfamiliar with Solter Brand.

[GiddyWelder]

From Google it looks like that outfit is in Spain....

[Sandy]

This is the general spec sheet.

http://content.lincolnelectric.com/e...0-170S-eng.pdf

[caxuda]

Thanks everyone for the answers.

Originally Posted by JoshD

Lincoln does not list a 170 on their website, so either its an older model or one that is only available overseas?

I have used both the Invertec V350 Pro and the V205, both of them were very nice machines.

If it is AC/DC you can weld aluminum with it. As far as I know, the V205 is the smallest inverter with AC that Lincoln makes here in the U.S. The 155 and 160 are DC only.

Just curious, are there "Lincoln Invertec V270" model in your country? If yes, how much it costs?


Yes, the Solter brand is Spanish but here in Portugal they says it is a very good brand.


Sandy shared the link of the exactly machine im talking.

Originally Posted by Sandy

This is the general spec sheet.

http://content.lincolnelectric.com/e...0-170S-eng.pdf

I think it only works with DC but it has TIG function. Does the TIG function allow me to weld aluminum?



One more time, thank you all.

[ccawgc]

You need AC to tig weld aluminum.
Lincoln makes a lot of DC only machines. Make sure the model you are looking at has AC/DC at the end of the model name.

[JoshD]

Originally Posted by caxuda

Thanks everyone for the answers.




Just curious, are there "Lincoln Invertec V270" model in your country? If yes, how much it costs?

Lincoln did make a V300 but not anymore, that is one of the machines I learned on. I don't know if they used to make a 270, if so, it would probably be a fairly old machine.

[caxuda]

Originally Posted by ccawgc

You need AC to tig weld aluminum.
Lincoln makes a lot of DC only machines. Make sure the model you are looking at has AC/DC at the end of the model name.

Machine's AC/DC are a much more expensive.
I thought TIG without AC allowed to weld aluminum. I read it on THIS website

Originally Posted by JoshD

Lincoln did make a V300 but not anymore, that is one of the machines I learned on. I don't know if they used to make a 270, if so, it would probably be a fairly old machine.

I found an used lincoln V270 TP 2V but it costs 1600€, the lincoln 170s only costs € 450 also used.


Greetings

[badknot]

I find the word "overkill" to be "under rated." Conversely, "under powered" is a word I'd rather never need.

[weldbead]

the thickest aluminum 170amps will do is 3/16, tops.

[caxuda]

Hello

Originally Posted by badknot

I find the word "overkill" to be "under rated." Conversely, "under powered" is a word I'd rather never need.

ok i understand, thanks

Originally Posted by weldbead

the thickest aluminum 170amps will do is 3/16, tops.

Sorry, but what does "3/16" means? Is the electrode diameter?
If i can weld aluminium with 3/16 diameter electrode this machine is excelent for me, at least that's what I think now .


Geetings

[SuperArc]

Originally Posted by caxuda

Yes, the Solter brand is Spanish but here in Portugal they says it is a very good brand..

I don't know about "Solter." Neeeeever heard of it.

"They"..... also told us that Opel and Yugo was a "good brand."

[caxuda]

Originally Posted by SuperArc

I don't know about "Solter." Neeeeever heard of it.

"They"..... also told us that Opel and Yugo was a "good brand."

I was talking about my friends in Portugal "they". Sorry, I did not explained well.


Greetings

[Broccoli1]

caxuda,

You will not be able to weld aluminum using the TIG process with the 170s.

and for all practical purposes you will not be able to weld aluminum using the Stick process either on the 170s

http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php?t=32124

[SuperArc]

Originally Posted by caxuda

I was talking about my friends in Portugal "they". Sorry, I did not explained well.

I was just joking around. No need for an appology.

[caxuda]

Hello there

Originally Posted by Broccoli1

caxuda,

You will not be able to weld aluminum using the TIG process with the 170s.

and for all practical purposes you will not be able to weld aluminum using the Stick process either on the 170s

http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php?t=32124

Thanks.
I decided to forget the aluminum, because the machines AC / DC or MIG are much more expensive.

I think i'll buy the lincoln 170s, we'll see.

Originally Posted by SuperArc

I was just joking around. No need for an appology.

Ok,

I will give you news as soon as possible.


One more time, thanks all for the help.
Greetings

[caxuda]

Hi again my friends


I have good news.
I've bought my first welding machine, it's a solter ICON-1970 PRO CEL, HERE's the link. Came a good deal and I did not refuse.

This weekend I was in my farm, in a different and a bit far city, and I started my first welding project. I decided to do a basketball board (4ft x 3ft).
Take this opportunity to say I did a pretty **** welding, I do not care, machine's fault.


Greetings


edit:
I'm soooooooo stupid................
I was reading things on the internet about welding and I found the torch was attached to the wrong pole (positive).....
Did this brings any problem for the machine, or does it had any welding influence?

Greetings

[soutthpaw]

It won't hurt the machine. In fact the leads are switched depending on if u do flux core or gas shielded (mig)

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[caxuda]

Originally Posted by soutthpaw

It won't hurt the machine. In fact the leads are switched depending on if u do flux core or gas shielded (mig)

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Oh thank god...
Im just doing normal, flux core, right? How do i have to connect?

I've been using 2.5mm but i think they are too thin. What electrodes should i buy for my project?
By the way what is the maximum size that this machine (180 amps) can handle?


Thanks for the fast answer.

[caxuda]

Sorry to be pulling up the topic.
Been a while, in 2 days I go to my farm, so I would really like to have answers.

Thank you for your possible availability.
Greetings

[badknot]

Originally Posted by caxuda

Oh thank god...
Im just doing normal, flux core, right? How do i have to connect?

I've been using 2.5mm but i think they are too thin. What electrodes should i buy for my project?
By the way what is the maximum size that this machine (180 amps) can handle?

should say in the manual which i'm sure is available from dealer or online. we are talking about a wire feed machine here, right? the wire is the electrode. the "tip" is the part at the end of the gun and should be matched to wire size: .023, .030, .035, .045. it's been a long time since i've used flux core, it makes for ugly welds, but probably well suited for repairing rusty farm equipment on the fly. just be sure to chip as much of that slag off the weld when ur done, it's corrosive. with ur machine, I think probably .035 flux core should allow u to weld up to 1/4" steel maybe more w/ technique?

[badknot]

although i couldn't quickly locate them, there's some good instructional articles and videos on this site as well as others.
http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...tips/MIG_tips/
good luck!

[caxuda]

Thank you very much

My manual does not say much thing cause my machine is off their professional line of inverters. Other lines has a manual more user friendly.
I'll study that.

Thanks again

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[DSW]

Guys the link he put up is to a stick machine not a wire feed from what I can tell.