Simple Question ! . . . .

[Markopolo]

OK, here's my chance to learn something !
Regarding o/a . . . when shutting down the torch....
do you close the o2 first, or the Acy. first ?
Obviously...either way will put out the fire.....but I've always been
told to close the gas first, which usually results in a "crack" as
the flame croaks. I read in a book that you should nix the o2 first,
so the flame doesn't burn back down the tip, but dies a slow
death right at the tip, and that will eliminate the carbon & soot
down in the body where you attach the tip.
Any and all opinions are, of course, gratefully respected !
(believe it or not, I AM still trying to learn)

[lynxpilot]

The books I read said oxygen off first. Took an OFW class and they taught fuel off first. I think the oxygen off first is related to a safety thing, i.e. purging the line with fuel alone which is not explosive (only flammable). I don't like the pop, so I kill the oxygen first. I'd bet though, that since their are two schools of thought in a two fish pond, then it probably doesn't matter one little bit.

[dob]

we've all heard it both ways, and when I asked my instructure the official answer from the gods above was to follow manafacturers directions. Every man. specifies different order of opps.

[vipermanz]

i have always heard oxy off first

I am suprised there have not been some strong opinions expressed on this one but it is looking like
a half-hearted draw so far. Shucks. Maybe the Monday morning drive crowd will liven it up some.

Meanwhile .... just in case ....

Redneck option: gas first - the pop makes the women pee their pants & giggle. Might get a little.

Biker option: spit in the palm of the same hand you use as a gounding clamp and snuff it out like a candle.
It impresses the Old Lady & why else do you wear the fingerless gloves?

Oklahoma option: douse it in a can of that 3.2 beer - might give it some taste

Seattle option: douse it in that Starbucks latte - at five bucks a cup it should be good for something.

LA option: Oxygen first. Soot? What soot?

OCC option: Smother it in Mikey's hair & toss it aside. Can't make matters any worse.

WCC option: Kick it across the floor & thump your chest. This is on tv, man.

The Mainer option: Ayuh, can't do much about that torch until May.
Too damned cold, probably freeze up anyway..

Federal gov't option: Fill out triplicate form XXXXXXXXX.yyyyyy\XyXyXy After reading OSHA document Gas Welding and Cutting ,
doc #350.1926, sign and print name in space at bottom of each page, Initial subsections 21, 37.1b and 42.
For help in filling out this form, see www.OSHA.gov online at
http://www.osha-slc.gov/pls/oshaweb/...RDS&p_id=10696

The Wesley Clark option: I might have voted to turn off the oxygen first, George Bush mislead
us into turning off the oxygen first. I didn't say I voted to turn off the oxygen first. In 1982
I would have turned off the oxygen first if I had not known what I don't now know.

The John F. Kerry option: F*** the oxygen. The polls don't mean anything.

The Al Sharpton option: That's a racist torch.

The Bill Clinton option: I did not have oxygen with that torch.

The Philadephia Eagles option: We'll blow the torch again.

The Hillary Clinton option: Well obviously it takes a village to turn off that torch . I'm all set for 2008.
(Am I the sly one or what?)

The Carolina Panthers option: Don't look now, but .... who'd a
thought it?

The West Texas option: Don't worry about it, the wind already blew the torch out.

The George W. Bush strategery: Turn off the damned torch or you can bet your sweet *** I'll turn it off for you.

The New England Patriots option: What torch? Peyton who?

The Howard Dean option: The torch was never an immediate danger. What? No, don't hand
me that torch, it makes me look too short. Give it to the United Nations, let them turn it off.
What? Sit down & shut up, you had your say. He lied to us, we never should have lit that torch in the first place.
Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a weldor. What?

The Franz option: Next 10,000 characters reserved for long rambling historical perspective on what
you young'uns never would have known about turning off the oxxigin first. Or last. Hell you might
not have even been abel to lite it.



(yep. Totally irresistable.)

[CoCowboy]

great reply cutter hahaha
It is a great idea to have flashback arrestors inline with the torch and hoses. Flashback explosions have and do occur! Everything that I have read says to turn off the oxygen first. Oxygen supports combustion and aids explosions. Also,It is always a good idea to leak check your hoses with soapy water or a dunk tank. Jeff

According to the Linde "OXY-ACETYLENE HANDBOOK" second edition, copyright 1943/1960.
You shut the Acetylene off first.

[bearly]

Originally posted by cutter

The Mainer option: Ayuh, can't do much about that torch until May.
Too damned cold, probably freeze up anyway..


(yep. Totally irresistable.)

It's almost 30 degrees! January Thaw on the way.

Totally irresistable?

Indeed


Hopping back into the truck,
bearly

[Franz]

Cutter is suffering from Very Mad Cow Disease!
Who the hell has time to count how many characters I use?
Turn the damn gas off first!
The popping sound will wake the Herbivor up, if he ain't singin behind his helmet he's sleepin there.

Wesley Clark, PLEASE give us an answer on what happened to all the classified documents you left in the Benz limo your wife was illegally using when she got it stolen at the shopping center.

Howard Dean, please send me a couple of those dorkwad orange hats, they look warm, and after 20 minutes I'll either loose one or have it dirty enough people won't think I support your sorry ***.

Be careful Franz! Dean will come to your house with the hats. Then tell everyone you invited him there to weld with him. Like he did with Jimmy Peanut

[Franz]

Well, he's more than welcome to bring those hats by, but I ain't real sure how it's gonna look on TV with him gettin thrown off the property.

?? Have I become completely STUPID, or have I completely missed any of these "candidates" talking about a single thing the office of Presidnet is Constitutionally empowered to do?
If these guys are the Best & Brightest, I'm starting excavation for a BUNKER!
No wonder Hillopotomous is my Jr Senator, the voting public has become enstupified by the NEA led Department of Education.

I think you have discovered the "Vast Left wing conspiracy"
If you look at most of the recent crop of grads, I don't think a bunker will help. Between the government schools, and MTV these kids can't "like can't string together complete sentences like you know dude"
Butt!! they all like howard dean, Madonna told them to.
Luckly Brittany can't spell Howard Dean. These people are the future citizens of our country. Sean hanady's, and Jay Leno's street interviews are scary. These kids can't identify the Vice president, or any cabinet members. But they can identify the "Gansta Rappers", and most of the MTV stars.
Bunker hell, We need to move to Idaho with Mark Furman and the others.
You'll be able to tell when it's spring time up there, Mark will be out in his field planting evidence

[MPK]

I have been told to turn off the gas first. From my experience I found I get a lot less smoke, soot and popping that way.

[Mike W]

I turn them off at the same time.

[Rocky D]

Originally posted by Mike W
I turn them off at the same time.

I don't believe what I'm reading here!!! YOU TURN THE ACETYLENE OFF FIRST!!

Why? Here's why....Turning of the oxy allows the acetylene keep burning, clogging up the tip! And blacken you face, too. Then when the Acetylene is turned off, it can burn back into the tank, or at least the mixer, frying the "O" rings, that keep the flammable stuff inside the brass so's it don't fry you.

Who ever said turn off the oxy first, please turn in your striker at the end of the shift!

[Planet X]

Originally posted by Franz

No wonder Hillopotomous is my Jr Senator, the voting public has become enstupified by the NEA led Department of Education.

Public education got its first big push sometime after the civil war- By having State sponsored 'education' uniform values could be instilled in the children . If everybody thinks alike far less likely to have arguments that boil over in to major numbers of dead citizens. For example on D-day something like 6000 Americans died, well the Battle of Antietam claimed 23,000! In ONE day now think about how big the population base was/was not during that time period.
Even though Hillary gets credit for "it takes a villiage to raise a child" this way of thinking has been going on for a long time....

[Franz]

See, I told ya the popping sound would wake the Herbivor up

Public "Education" Jefferson said "the only way this experiment in democracy will work is with an informed educated public"

Hamilton FAXed Jefferson his thoughts on the matter, and there was a transmission error.

By the time Carter created the Department of Education, the NEA, a heavy contributor to the Democratic Party, already had the real plan on paper, Modify the Industrial Conditioning System into a voter training system. Together with Madison Ave, they could take control. At the time, Jacques Cousteau of Don't drip on my carpet fame, pointed out Pre WW-II France had a cabinet level Department of Instruction, and the French educated their children; After the war they had a Department of Education and all instruction in the public schools ended.
Fortunately, I live in an area where it is only necessary to know and congegate 2 verbs, "go" and "F6(k" and studnets here can do both by 5th frade.
Sadly, I must admit I was in favor of lowering the age of sufferage to 18, back in the 60s. Today, I realize it should be returned to 21, and an IQ test should be administered before anyone is allowed to vote. Tehn again, I still remember when Senators were appointed rather than directly elected.

As Robert Bork said a few years ago, the end of civilization as we know it is here. Fortunately, it is a slow process, and it is quite possible to live well during the decline.

[Planet X]

Wars are like steroids for Government-grow,grow and grow..
And, NO I am not a member of the J.B.S. just in case somebody gets that idea from my ramblings.

[Markopolo]

Well, it looks like the majority votes for "gas off first".
Thanks, guys ! You reduced my stress level to the point
that I may be able to sleep at night
(Just to let you know...I DID look at my owners manual,
and it say's to kill the o2 first.....but what do they know,
they just built the damn thing) !
I give more weight to you pro's. opinion than an owners manual
that was probably written by an "educated idiot" fresh
out of college ! GAS OFF FIRST IT IS ! !

[Franz]

They want to sell you o rings, and they know how to do it.

[Al 2]

I read on a board a while back about this topic and the quote was "A before O, or up you go"
Al

Originally posted by Franz
Well, he's more than welcome to bring those hats by, but I ain't real sure how it's gonna look on TV with him gettin thrown off the property.

?? Have I become completely STUPID, or have I completely missed any of these "candidates" talking about a single thing the office of Presidnet is Constitutionally empowered to do?

Well jeez, if you want to get alll technical about it.
I remember Eric Hoffer predicted back in the 60's that Eisenhower might someday emerge as
one of the best presidents of the century because he didn't do much of anything &
therefore did the least amount of harm.

[Bob Sigmon]

Was just reading this thread on AWS forum . . . http://www.aws.org/cgi-bin/mwf/topic_show.pl?id=4729

This might explain the reason for the different shut down methods.

Bob Sigmon

[Franz]

Originally posted by cutter
Well jeez, if you want to get alll technical about it.
I remember Eric Hoffer predicted back in the 60's that Eisenhower might someday emerge as
one of the best presidents of the century because he didn't do much of anything &
therefore did the least amount of harm.

For the younguns, that would be the fellow who ran that brilliant "I Like Ike" campaign. He was also the President who left over 37,000 American POWs in Russian hands cause he was afraid to get in Stalin's face, and the President who ended the ongoing US affiliation with Ho because he was scared ****less of Nixon, who had been Joe McCarthy's #1 boy before becoming Ike's VP. When Dulles & MendesFrance told Ike Ho was the only man who could unite & rule VietFNam, Ike told them there was no way in hell he would let that happen because Ho was a "Communist".
Then, Ike ordered the War Department to develope a plan to NUKE VietFNam, to support his buddy DeGaul who was getting his *** whupped in the Nam. He also provided US aircraft & crews to France to drop 2nd Para into DienBienFoo, after he crapped all over the French supporting Israel's demands the Legion be purged of all former Vermacht members in 54.
One of the few times MacArthur was right was when he called Eisenhauer excellent Company Clerk material.

Franz;
Your comment about the legion was interesting, and supports a story I heard back in the 60's
When I was involved in JKF's and LBJ's great Southeast Asia adventure. I did R&R in Bangkok. I met a german fellow, who owned a bar there. After beaucoup drinks. He loosen up and told us why we weren't going to win the war.
It turned out that he was in the SS during WW2. His unit got out from behind Russian lines, escaped to Algeria, and joined the French foriegn Legion. There was a legion regiment composed of ex germans. Apparently they were the only successful French unit in Indochina. Word got out about their composition from the US news media. The regiment was broken up and sent to other units. That was the end of french successes.
He did his time, got his French citizenship, and stayed in Southeast Asia.
We did provide Air and Naval logisital support to the French during that war. You can still see how they appreciated it