Welder's Union

[Payrion]

what gets me is the guys that come on slamming peoples livelihood...Respect should be given on both sides....I happen to be UNION and very proud, but i respect a craftsmen that is non union....to get on here and call names and slam the way someone feeds their family is gaudy....and to me gaudy is the scum of the earth...I just dont get slamming another workers life....If the entire middle class doesnt come together soon and were in for some low wage lifestyles....
SO the union didnt work for you, it might work great for the next guy..It does for me, i worked non union for 5 years and made dick, no retirement, no safely, no formal training....It works great for me....I dont know just thinking out loud here too...go back to being gaudy...I love this forum but there are a good bit of people with no manners. And dont get me wrong, im not trying to act high and mighty but when it comes to feeding your family and paying your bills, and someone is basically saying your a piece of **** cause something you belong to for work purposes..thats a piece of ****....
BTW, misinformation on here...NO STATE has laws to MAKE you join a union, none!..They make you pay an assessment fee for the handling of your contract cause YOU choose to work at a union shop and not be part of the union...look it up..

[BD1]

Originally Posted by Pangea

Take your union and stick it up your ***. What can a union give you that the company doesn't offer? Nothing! The parasite union cannot live without a company to feed off of but the company can function and thrive without the fungus like grip of a union.

There are states that you can move to that force you to join a union if you want to work. Go there and see what a "workers utopia" it is.

I hate unions like the communists that they are.

Wow ! Fortunately I am UNION. Just retired after 41 years at age 61. My insurance out of pocket for me and wife is $250.00 per month. This covers all. PLUS, my pension is probably
more per hour than you make. I will apply for social security at 62 and will be at $35.00 per hour for staying home. Not to mention that prior to retiring, OUR EMPLOYERS are putting in
$5.00 PER HOUR IN 401 K !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The country was made by UNIONS who set standards for
all. A member here stated something like this, United we stand, alone we beg !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sparky#1]

Originally Posted by BlueArc

Unions have their ups and downs. Don't like it, don't join one and get over it.

Last time I checked I'm happy with my wages/benefits, and the company I work for isn't quite going out of business. Sure, I'd love to get more, and they'd like to pay me less. That's where this crazy bargaining thing comes in, and bam, life goes on.

I agree,the company I'm workoing for now is well over 100 yrs old and doing very well. They have been union from the start so blaming unions for company failure is B.S !!!!

[shovelon]

Originally Posted by BlueArc

Hey that's what I mean. If you don't like them, don't join one, vote against them etc. I don't mean that in a combative way at all either.

I should also say that when I spoke of unions earlier, I really meant in the building trades (not UAW, public sector, etc). I'm also from a different market than most men on here, so things are different for me.




We have a minimum wage here. I can't tell you for sure, but I'm confident a small percentage of our national workforce is organized in a union.

Yeah, no problem. The OP believes that all weldors should form an all encompasing union, and asked for opinions. I liked your post, which I felt was consise.

I vote no.

[puddytat]

I think when it comes to Unionism, the opinion of some is that it must take over the reins of government and cure all evils.....big laugh, Unions were established to combat the malpractices of the business owners, not the practices of the workers.

I personally will not work alongside or with a non union member....those people would steal the bread out of your mouth.....if it's good enough for me to fight for my rights then I despise those that want the same as me without having fought for it.

Generally, but not in all cases, people who do not want to belong to unions when the majority of the work force in their workplace are, have some notion that the boss is going to give them a rise for being goddy goody, and a few extra weeks paid holiday too, and at the same time give them double time when they work overtime.......LOL.....you poor fools......the boss dislikes arse lickers worse than he hates Unionist, but at least he knows that the Union is a combined force that he can negotiate with and come to a cohesive agreement that is legal and binding on both sides.

Wherever I have worked and been involved in Union /bosses disputes, those that tried to slip in the back door (scabs) and work when the main force were taking industrial action and losing pay for their efforts, were, after the dispute was settled, forced by peer pressure to donate their ill gotten gains to a charity, or terminate their employment otherwise......this has always been supported by the bosses who wanted no further workplace disruptions once the issue had been resolved.

Unionists believe strongly that "if you aren't with us you most definately are against us, of that there can be no doubt", and those that try to undermine the efforts of a Union are pushing sh!t uphill with a sharp stick.

No one likes to lose money, but when the fight is over conditions, then money lost for a just cause is money gained, otherwise individually you'd be reduced to askinjg the boss humbly with cap in hand and head bowed low for a few bob more to put bread on the table.....there's nothing worse than a grovelling slave scratching in the dirt for a living.

Some idiot, a few posts back, likened Unionists to Communists.......ROTFLMAO......are you for real???......try that one in a Communist country.
Ian.

[VPT]

LOL, this is funny stuff and I see all the typical arguments. When I was younger and took a tour of the local "union mill" all I seen was lazy asses sitting in chairs waiting to do their one job and still getting paid $25 and hour + many benefits. I was at total amazement watching these guys sitting around, reading a book, watching TV, playing cards.... The company went out of business and has changed hand 3 times now and is in the middle of a complete shutdown. I hear they can get paper cheaper from other countries where people actually work for their money.


Safe work environment, not enough pay, not good enough benefits, etc? QUIT and find another job you whiner! I am sick of the mentality of this country lately and how lazy everyone has gotten and expect the world. Tough recession? Just wait, its going to get worse, in the end you may have to actually work like the rest of us!

[shovelon]

Originally Posted by puddytat

Some idiot, a few posts back, likened Unionists to Communists.......ROTFLMAO......are you for real???......try that one in a Communist country.
Ian.

Yeah, that is like a union within a union.

[Payrion]

Originally Posted by VPT

LOL, this is funny stuff and I see all the typical arguments. When I was younger and took a tour of the local "union mill" all I seen was lazy asses sitting in chairs waiting to do their one job and still getting paid $25 and hour + many benefits. I was at total amazement watching these guys sitting around, reading a book, watching TV, playing cards.... The company went out of business and has changed hand 3 times now and is in the middle of a complete shutdown. I hear they can get paper cheaper from other countries where people actually work for their money.


Safe work environment, not enough pay, not good enough benefits, etc? QUIT and find another job you whiner! I am sick of the mentality of this country lately and how lazy everyone has gotten and expect the world. Tough recession? Just wait, its going to get worse, in the end you may have to actually work like the rest of us!

I can assure you there are non union lazy asses sitting on chairs making maybe a few bucks less out there too...I know i bust my *** daily. I have seen lazy Sheetmetal workers, they sit, on the friggn bench waiting for a job they wont get... Maybe the guys you saw were on break at that time... I worked in a union box factory for a few months when i was younger and living in Bham, Al...There were those whining guys there and there were hard workers there too...Its not the union that does that, its the people that act that way, union or non union they would be like that...I also worked NON union in a company making threaded rod in that town too, and guess what, same thing, whining people and hard workers....
The good thing about America..if you dont want to work in a union shop, hire in at a non union shop, If you dont want to make good money and have good benefits then go else where....but dont fight against mine...

[CopperJonny]

Oh yes... What I forgot to mention on the OP was..
IF YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER,
YOU HAVE NO SAY!!
YOUR VOICE GOES UNHEARD !!!

Thats because of the choices you make!!
Its definitely not about hurting anyone, not ever... working conditions and skills versus fair compensation. For EVERYBODY.
You know what hurts?! Is when battles are fought and success for everyone roars... and some unthankful ones undermine what ALL OF OUR ForeFathers and Mothers who fought so hard to earn... Thats what a Parasite is!
Stay safe, work smart
We need you!!
And VPT... Wow.. I see how it is... fool no more you will... You truly are a Nazi Piece of **** aren't you!!
Maybe take your BS and move to another country/continent... your slavish talents will be put to much better use.. and you may also be "fodder" when that regime is overturned by "the New World"!
**** what I would do to run into you on a street my Boy!!
Aghh HaHAHA ! You keep earning our pennies and kneeling under the desk Pal... thats where you belong.. Sit!!...Stay!!........ Mutt!!

[slim83]

Y'all sound like a bunch of whiney lil beeches, both sides. Don't worry bout what another man does to feed his family. It ain't nobody's business. Bunch of panty waist sewing circle dumbazzes. Shut the phuck up and handle your business

[VPT]

Because one groups stupidity effects everyone!

[CopperJonny]

keep working for pennies.. and see how far we get... Snap the **** out of it
You complain about being "held back by Union's"! ... thats hilarious... is quite evident they are the most forward looking bunch of hard working men and women around... and you owe them Many Thanks for putting the food on your table and help pay the bills... Or WE would all be second and third world countries... Hopefully someday you will grow up and see the light... as a matter of fact.... EVERYONE owes one union or another many thanks for what have and are able to maintain the lifestyle you do! You don't have to like it, But you KNOW it! And will remember it when you shave your mug for work next... cause I know You'll be thinking about that one for however long it takes for you to come to terms with it.
And that gives me peace!

[BlueArc]

Originally Posted by VPT

Because one groups stupidity effects everyone!

Maybe you could elaborate on who's stupid, and why? And while you're at it, how it affects everyone.

[puddytat]

A forward thinking management can call the Union's bluff anyday if they propose unrealistic demands.

When they do get out of hand and confrontation takes place, it's always the Union that comes out second best.....(name one Union unrealistic powerplay that won the day)

The old saying, "you don't bite the hand that feeds you" is very applicable in Management/Union relationships.

I could name a few powerplay situations I was involved in where the management were at fault, lost and had to back down, but as they were the bad guys and lost the call, that is what Union membership is all about.

Anyone who worked for R.V. Dorman in Melbourne Australia in July 1982 will know what sneaky tricks a management can get up to.....like piling on excess work force numbers to get a large production item out in record time, then attempting to sack the excess work force at short notice without any entitlements once the job was finished.

In that particular case the job produced for lysaghs, the steel people, hung on the crane hook for 3 days while management gnashed their teeth and uttered all kinds of threats, (The Manager, a little short arsed Pommy Bastard even hinted that the industrial action would cost the workforce their jobs if they didn't get back to work)..... but had to settle the issue to get the job out of the factory.

The factory management (having scheduled secretly for the factory to be closed and relocated), terminated 70% of the workforce a week later and closed the factory a month later, having moved the production and a few of the remaining workforce to another facility as they had planned.

In many ways this was the best thing that happened for me, as I found another job within 3 weeks and spent the last 17 years of my working life there, going from a common shop floor worker within 1 year to time and motion study as a planning technician in the engineering office.....very prestigious for this boy....LOL.
Ian.