Look at what I got for $350.00: SA 200. Need a little help.

[lugweld]

Okay
Many thanks for the multiple advices to buy this machine.
I am going to post some pics. This machine originally (probably not from the day it was born) was owned by the City, Water, Light and Bond. As you can see, it is fair machine. I have posted pics along with my finger pointing to the broken part. The engine is free, and as you can see, it was professionally rebuilt in the last of 95. I need a little guidance on what to tackle first besides the throttle. Plus if anyone happens to have a spare brass throttle/butterfly rod, I could use it.

Can I assume it is a 6 volt? No battery is present. But the mag kinda gives it away. Any 12v conversions out there?

Can anyone help me trace the year off the faceplate?

Again many thanks for the advice. Any offers to help restore this thing to perfection for little or no cost would also accrue many thanks... Just kidding.

[lugweld]

Here's some more.

[lugweld]

Last one. Not a fin out of place...

[HGHS-Corp]

I would just say fire it up, i cant seem to see what the problem is or mayby its me that cant see, but what is the problem?

[lugweld]

Runaway motor... possibly without throttle. Don't won't to hurt a low rpm motor like that.

[HGHS-Corp]

is the throttle valve gone??

i dont really understand

[lugweld]

Its broken.. It has to work in conjunction with the governer. There is no way to control throttle safely. You can see the linkage hanging below.

[HGHS-Corp]

Just make it controllable with a cable of some sort. adapt and over come.

[lugweld]

SA 200's must not carry the same amount of respect in your area of this small world. Here, they are worth more than what I paid and are coveted for welding pipe and general repair. A throttle cable is not a sufficient repair. No idle up and no top end control. This machine has been babied by all accounts. I am not going to ramrod it. The governer contol assembly is a critical part of a 1450 rpm engine. Without a governer, it is impossible to maintain arc control or stability of engine rpms. Without a governer, this engine could top 4000 rpm. It may not kill it, but would certainly hurt a fine specimen.

[Ultrachop]

Lugweld,
I am not intimately familiar with that motor but it isn't that old, should be able to find any part you need with a little searching. I did some google searching (guessing) when I was looking for a tig welder and found there was quite a few welder/generator/compressor equipment brokers around the country. I would bet that carb/governor linkage is use for quite a few other setups as well IE: pumps, generators, aircompressors. Get the Make model/serial number off the engine and check craigslist and ebay!
Ditto on not rushing the fire-up of the ole girl, she will luv ya back if you don't push her!

Best of luck, good Snag!

Tim

[Ultrachop]

http://www.hobartwelders.com/weldtal...ad.php?t=13270

Lugweld,

Just found this on the Hobart sight, looks like this thread would point you in the right direction?

Don't think I did the Hyperlink thing right but you should be able to find it it (I googled "lincoln SA 200" ?

Tim

[gordon stephenson]

Hi, lugweld,
Looks like you've got yourself a nice piece of machinery there, I know you won't be tempted into rushing the job just to hear it run. Someone will know exactly what you need and maybe even be able to let you have the parts,
I love old gear,Made in the days when quality and a long working life took priority over cutting corners to keep production costs as low as possible. once up and running i'm sure it will become another bullet proof old friend.

Good luck, Gordon.

[lugweld]

Thanks,
Gordon, I am not sure what the future has for it. I have a Ranger 8 that is low hours. I may eventually sell/trade both for a new Ranger 250 or 305G.

But I would like to see if I can slick 'er up a little.

[billie_]

lugweld...indeed those machines carry a lot of respect in my world too..but im not sure what you are pointing at in the photo, from what i see that is the small screw that sets the idle speed when the governor pulls back the throttle that is run by all the gear below your finger... your weldor should run (if set at high throttle) at 1550 and when under load drop back to 1450

i am not doubting you so i must be missing something in your photos

[Oldtimer]

Pretty good looking machine to be that old. I don't remember when they became 12 volt systems. I believe electronic idlers showed up in 1970 so it is older than that.

Buy a can of Lincoln gray paint and paint it. Please. It just doesn't look right the color it is. And put some side panels on it. They are part of it's cooling system.

When you get it going nothing made today will beat it's arc characteristics. Some will match it but not beat it. Enjoy.

[shortarc]

Not for sure, but where you are pointing should be the screw for the low idle adjustment, There should be a hole in the bracket on the other end of the shaft,next to the engine block where the govoner linkage hooks up.

[lugweld]

Billie,

The problem is IS the gear is BELOW my finger NOT where my finger is pointing. The shaft is broken off completely from the carburetor. The gear below my finger is merely hanging.

[denrep]

Originally Posted by lugweld

...Plus if anyone happens to have a spare brass throttle/butterfly rod, I could use it.

...Can I assume it is a 6 volt? No battery is present. But the mag kinda gives it away. Any 12v conversions out there?

Can anyone help me trace the year off the faceplate?

Good deal! Has the highly-wanted round welding generator too.

Looking at the starter relay and small cables I'd guess 12 volt.
The mag is completely independent of the battery, so battery voltage will have no effect on the mag. No conversion issues, a 6 volt starter can stand 12 volts in this application.


I think I'd silver solder a rivet, or pin, or long shouldered bolt, to the idle screw flag that is pinned to the broken throttle shaft. Move the linkage to your repaired throttle shaft for now. You can replace the throttle shaft later. May as well see if she'll put out first; before you invest too much time or money.

You could safely start it as-is to do a little testing, just make sure the throttle shaft doesn't flip wide open.

No air cleaner huh? Maybe the throttle plate was stuck from exposure, and that's why the shaft broke off? Carb looks too clean for that; maybe it was just bumped.

Good Luck

[lugweld]

Denrep,

Good eye... I was so excited that I didn't even realize it was missing. I think the guy might still have it. And originally about a year ago when I saw it, I thought there were panels. If there is no filter, a paper filter on the end of the carb with a chrome cover might do. I am trying to find the year as well. I think the model number say its a 3554 and serial # is 391793.

[duaneb55]

$350??!! I think I'm going to be sick!

That's an awesome find lugweld.

The link from the Hobart site that tr@gotorandall.com referred to is http://www.weldmart.com/ if you didn't find it yet. There's another source for SA 200 parts that has been posted here on a number of occassions and that carb throttle linkage won't be too hard to take care of.

As for 6 or 12 volt, is there a tag on the generator or starter or that recently replaced starter solenoid that can tell you?

And if you're looking for offers to restore, bring it on over and I'll be happy to. Only catch - it has to stay here.

[lugweld]

Duane,

The weldmart link is giving my browser fits. A lot of dead within site links.

[mrmikey]

When you get it going nothing made today will beat it's arc characteristics.

You're right, there is nothing made that welds like one of those, for $350 you got a good deal.....Mike

[farmersamm]

YOU FIRKIN' DOG!!!!!!!!!

Dump a couple of grand in that thing, and you're still ahead!!!!!

Congratulations Lugweld

It sorta looks like on I saw in for service at the LWS. The guy said it had a Herco engine that ran at around 800rpm all day long if I remember. All I know is that it was old.

Ahhhh, yer makin' me SICK

[duaneb55]

Even if you just type in the address in your browser bar?

Not to worry. To fix that throttle shaft, find some brass or SS rod of the proper diameter and have a throttle plate pad to match the existing shaft machined into it, drill and tap for the throttle plate screws, install the idle screw/max stop arm to the new shaft indexing it the same as the original before pinning it to the new shaft. Install the auto idler and governor levers as required and done deal.

Another option is weld/braze the two pieces of the original shaft back together and reassemble as needed. You'll have to measure/record the indexing angle of the idle screw/max stop lever in order to reinstall it back in the proper location after repairing the shaft.

[lugweld]

Duane,

Thanks, I did find 12v stamped on the generator. Makes things a little easier now. 6 volt batteries are a pain. Used to use 8 volts on 8N fords to make them crank better.