Chinese Welders

[scubaholic]

Originally Posted by lugweld

Just went into my lws today. On the Victor torch box.... Made from parts from USA,Mexico and China. Now, anyone going to put the smackdown on Victor?

i will i hate a victor i carry a smith head in my gang box for that reason just so i dont ever have to use a victor

[lugweld]

Scub,

I like my Smith, except for the fact that the cottonpickin' mix valve is on the bottom, right where I can accidentally put my hand in the flame.

[wirehunt]

Funnily enough, just last night one of the boy's turned up for a beer and a kai. In the back of his ute was a brand new chinese made machine. $700AUD, no doubt he had some fat in it for himself which is fine. The kicker though, spare boards for $20AUD, not the $1000 plus that red and blue charge which really...................... me off. How can they say that's what there worth when we all know different?

Now these Italian machines getting around just don't cut the mustard, blowing boards at a G a shot among other problems, so why not go the cheap way? THe boy's have had this thing out and put it to work, still going. Next step is to really thrash one as hard and as long as we can which will be happening soon.

[Billy]

Originally Posted by wirehunt

Funnily enough, just last night one of the boy's turned up for a beer and a kai. In the back of his ute was a brand new chinese made machine. $700AUD, no doubt he had some fat in it for himself which is fine. The kicker though, spare boards for $20AUD, not the $1000 plus that red and blue charge which really...................... me off. How can they say that's what there worth when we all know different?

Now these Italian machines getting around just don't cut the mustard, blowing boards at a G a shot among other problems, so why not go the cheap way? THe boy's have had this thing out and put it to work, still going. Next step is to really thrash one as hard and as long as we can which will be happening soon.

Where do you get the Boards from for $20?

Cheers

[hillco]

If low cost labor is the root of poor quality, then the higher the Labor Cost equates to correspondingly higher quality, right? If the American autoworker's labor cost was higher than, say the Japanese worker's, then the quality of the product is higher, right?...
'just want to make sure I'm understanding the thinking here, because it does not agree with my observations. Perhaps there are other variables..??

[wirehunt]

Originally Posted by Billy

Where do you get the Boards from for $20?

Cheers

I have no idea, the guy that's getting the welders said they are also supplying the boards at that price.

[Liberty_bell]

Originally Posted by Billy

OK This is my opinion on Chinese Inverter Welding Equipment.
First off I made a comment on another thread which someone has hit the “delete” key, must have been trying to find the “any” key! Thought there was such a thing as “freedom of speech” guess I was wrong.

>>>>That was ground off as excess carbon by the media and people with dual citizenship.

Then you have Mig’s, which some people when they have a problem with the feed they screw down the wire tension and yes it welds better, little do they realize that they are overloading the motor which can take out the control board

>>>> This sounds like my problem. I own a Miller AC/DC stick 500 new in the late 90's and bought this last summer for 79 dollars.. QA hobo frt.. 94056 "MAG" or wire emitting as feed seems to be the wrong word. I got this just to get used to one before I get a Miller. I might have set the tension too high after my 4th spool change and it was working fine last night and this morning I plugged it in and it no longer worked. This sounds like my problem. If the unit still "welds" and power is on is that a motor or control board error as stated in text above.

I also would like for anyone to send me a link to a replacement motor and the cooling fan for faster duty cycle if possible. I don't really like this thing but the prive was right and the weight is minimal.

Any help would be great - Chris

Cheers

I had to write something down here to post. Please read above for my questions. Thanks

[Liberty_bell]

Originally Posted by eyspy

You hit the nail on the head ! Their labour is so cheap, their products "should", be built far better than anything they are competing with. If they had a top shelf product, they could sell it 25 % - 50 % cheaper than their competitors and still make a huge profit.

If it is a good product, people will buy it, no matter the country of origin.

I like getting in these topics. If things keep going the way they are as far as quality.. We will be getting welders with very nice cases and a 12 volt battery inside 2 wires and a cup to hold all the nickles we will be welding with and a green solar panel on the top with a pot (maybe) to control the power output and some kind of carbon footprint regulator and stamped on the case "State of the art".. All corporate profits will go toward purchasing the first acre of US land and not feeding any families anywhere. I get 150 MPG on a motorized bike that can pull a riding mower for 500 miles thus avoiding OPEC and that corruption. All because I learned how to weld! If a yard sign says "puppies for sale" and they all die in 3 months from old age is that a good thing?

[SundownIII]

Not welding related but tied to the importation of Chinese goods.

Anybody want to buy some Chinese sheetrock.

Cheap. $3-$4 per sheet compared to US produced at $10/sheet.

Guaranteed to destroy all the copper wiring in your house in less than 10 years, due to the emissions of sulfer in the base material. Thousands of Americans now own homes which are unsafe to live in due to the use of Chinese sheetrock. (Do a google search if you don't believe me)

Poison in toothpaste.

Lead in children's toys.

Contaminated human and animal foods.

No morals. No human rights. Cheap labor. Greed.

When the he11 are we going to figure out we're selling America's future.

Free Market Trade is bullsh1t. If the US had the import tariffs that other countries we're buying from did, we wouldn't have all this cheap crap flooding our shores.

[Broccoli1]

Tooth paste is/was already a poison

Read the packaging-

[lugweld]

Sundown...

When was the last time the Chinese sold tainted peanut butter? Was Bernie Madoff from China? Did China cause the bankrupcy of Chrysler? Is China alone in debating on whether or not to publish torture pictures? As far as basic morals go...C'mon....Really?

Gypsum...The primary component in sheet rock is...ready for it? Calcium sulfate. That's what it is made of ...Chicom or US.


Sure no one in their right mind would think that China is a shining perfect star. However, as the school age proverb says....When you point a finger, you have three pointing back.

[Liberty_bell]

I got sick of adding floride to my homemade toothpaste so I started using all the metal shavings from my chop saw suey..

Will somebody help me not be stupid? I just got my miller thunderbolt and darn near melted everything in sight! So I turned it down and those moist rods felt so good and sticky....

Help needed with this... I just need a fraaken motor I think?

OK This is my opinion on Chinese Inverter Welding Equipment.
First off I made a comment on another thread which someone has hit the “delete” key, must have been trying to find the “any” key! Thought there was such a thing as “freedom of speech” guess I was wrong.

>>>>That was ground off as excess carbon by the media and people with dual citizenship.

Then you have Mig’s, which some people when they have a problem with the feed they screw down the wire tension and yes it welds better, little do they realize that they are overloading the motor which can take out the control board

>>>> This sounds like my problem. I own a Miller AC/DC stick 500 new in the late 90's and bought this last summer for 79 dollars.. QA hobo frt.. 94056 "MAG" or wire emitting as feed seems to be the wrong word. I got this just to get used to one before I get a Miller. I might have set the tension too high after my 4th spool change and it was working fine last night and this morning I plugged it in and it no longer worked. This sounds like my problem. If the unit still "welds" and power is on is that a motor or control board error as stated in text above.

I also would like for anyone to send me a link to a replacement motor and the cooling fan for faster duty cycle if possible. I don't really like this thing but the prive was right and the weight is minimal.

Any help would be great - Chris

[lugweld]

Liberty,

Sorry, man, but I can't make heads or tails of your one way conversation...Its kinda like reading a combination of Ozzie and Bob Dylan sitting in a retirement home dictating their memoirs. What I can make out is barely tangeantal to the topic.

[Billy]

Originally Posted by Liberty_bell

I got sick of adding floride to my homemade toothpaste so I started using all the metal shavings from my chop saw suey..

Will somebody help me not be stupid? I just got my miller thunderbolt and darn near melted everything in sight! So I turned it down and those moist rods felt so good and sticky....

Help needed with this... I just need a fraaken motor I think?

OK This is my opinion on Chinese Inverter Welding Equipment.
First off I made a comment on another thread which someone has hit the “delete” key, must have been trying to find the “any” key! Thought there was such a thing as “freedom of speech” guess I was wrong.

>>>>That was ground off as excess carbon by the media and people with dual citizenship.

Then you have Mig’s, which some people when they have a problem with the feed they screw down the wire tension and yes it welds better, little do they realize that they are overloading the motor which can take out the control board

>>>> This sounds like my problem. I own a Miller AC/DC stick 500 new in the late 90's and bought this last summer for 79 dollars.. QA hobo frt.. 94056 "MAG" or wire emitting as feed seems to be the wrong word. I got this just to get used to one before I get a Miller. I might have set the tension too high after my 4th spool change and it was working fine last night and this morning I plugged it in and it no longer worked. This sounds like my problem. If the unit still "welds" and power is on is that a motor or control board error as stated in text above.

I also would like for anyone to send me a link to a replacement motor and the cooling fan for faster duty cycle if possible. I don't really like this thing but the prive was right and the weight is minimal.

Any help would be great - Chris

Are you related to William McCormick ?

[59halfstep]

Originally Posted by Billy

Are you related to William McCormick ?

Get out the tin hats.

[Liberty_bell]

Hulk need hobo f*rt.. (harbor freight) model # 94056 flux wire feed motor replacement as Hulk's wire feed motor no longer turns on when trigger is depressed. Hulk needs link to new motor or Hulk smash puny blue thing.

Thanks - Bruce

[worntorn]

Here is a bit of a report from someone who is actually using one of these Chinese welders, not just talking about them.

I'm running one of these little Everlast multi function units pretty steady, it will be interesting to see how it holds up. So far it is an absolute treat to use. The TIG arc is so easy to control that it is almost a joke. I find myself tigging most everything together. I haven't tried it on wood yet!
At first I reported that the TIG function was similar to using my friend's Lincoln 185. Now I have spent a couple of hundred hours doing tig I went back and used the Lincoln. Plain and simple, the Lincoln is not as nice to use. Perhaps a Lincoln inverter type might be more like this Everlast, but the Lincoln transformer welder just doesn't have it for me.


Friends who know I am busy learning to Tig weld have found paying work for me. I didn't
ask for this, but won't complain!

Initially I had no intentions of using this welder for anything other than my own hobby or farm type projects. In fact I really bought it in order to use for learning tig so that I could TIG up an Egli-Vincent frame for myself. The first plan was to use my friend's Lincoln 185 to do this with. After about a week of daily commuting to his place to practice, I realized that this was going to take awhile. Learning to tig weld without owning a tig welder is like trying to learn to play the piano without having one in your house to practice on. It's not going to happen!

Other than that I have gotten by just fine with my Miller and P+H stick welders for many years.
I'm not using them much anymore, although if I ever need more than 200 amps I will fire up the P+H. It's unlikely I will need to though because these Inverters seem a lot hotter at 200 amps than the tranformers are. The Miller is a portable, (Onan) so it will still get occasional use.

Funny how when people see that you are keen to do something they put you to work!
The first paying project was a stainless Dough divider drum. That came from a friend who needed it for a machine he was building and could not find a large shop interested in tackling it. They paid me $1600 for my labour, which was a some design, some metal forming, some plasma cutting and lots of tig, a perfect job for me.

Now another friend of a friend has me building 9 stainless steel window well grates for his housing project. I priced them at $300 each, $150 labour and $150 mat'l, so another $1350 total in labour. If they take a little longer than I planned, no matter, it's all practice anyway and I would be busy working on scraps if I didn't have these projects to do.
So the little $800 welder will have made me about $3,000 in the last little while, not bad for something I considered a bit of a toy. I'm starting to see potential here. Anytime there is a situation where money can be made having fun, this should be exploited in full!
I think I will be looking for one of their larger AC/DC multifunction units before long.


The pedal quit working the other day. Everlast had one to me in no time, no fuss, no shipping charge,no questions, no need to send the old one back for repair or to prove it needed replacement. Does anybody else have a five year warranty like this?

[moespeeds]

I am in the manufacturing business here in America, and I actually import a product to China. Bottom line is this, America can no longer manufacture efficiently or economically. Taxation, insurance costs, litigation, labor costs, fuel costs, the EPA, DEP, DOT, etc, etc are squeezing us to death and have reduced our profits to nothing. We are forced to lower our costs the only way we can, by importing cheaper machinery. China will only continue to produce better and better machinery as the demand increases, while our own quality goes to **** as our costs skyrocket. I bought a Chinese TIG welder, just to fart around on and learn, and so far I love it. It's parked next to my Lincoln stick welder which has been getting beat up around here for as long as I can remember. The Chinese welder may not last as long, but if it makes it to it's 5 year warranty life, I can still buy two more before I get to the price of a Miller. Tariffs might help a little, but it won't change the fact that America is putting itself in the hole by crushing small business. You talk about foundations, it's what this country was built on and we are chipping away at it with a jackhammer.

[Bob]

No, we aren't chipping away at it, people like you are. I have the same Miller Shopmaster for thirty years. How much money would you have in chin welders in thirty years? I'll keep buying American, thank you.

[outlawskinnyd]

the northern industrial welders are made in china, read some good stuff on them...

[bert the welder]

Originally Posted by hillco

If low cost labor is the root of poor quality, then the higher the Labor Cost equates to correspondingly higher quality, right? If the American autoworker's labor cost was higher than, say the Japanese worker's, then the quality of the product is higher, right?...
'just want to make sure I'm understanding the thinking here, because it does not agree with my observations. Perhaps there are other variables..??

And your not even Canadian!!!!

Brilliant! Glass raised to you, sir.

[oxy moron]

i got a lincoln mig and a miller tig because its agreed that they're the best welders in the market for now. I didn't buy them because they're made in USA. If brand X from country Y started to make welders better then miller or lincoln, I'd get those, too.

If USA made less quality welders then (example Italy, would you buy it, just because its made in USA?

[joedirt1966]

Originally Posted by oxy moron

i got a lincoln mig and a miller tig because its agreed that they're the best welders in the market for now. I didn't buy them because they're made in USA. If brand X from country Y started to make welders better then miller or lincoln, I'd get those, too.

If USA made less quality welders then (example Italy, would you buy it, just because its made in USA?

X2!

I would also rather pay more upfront for brand X if it is inherently more reliable in order to eliminate lost time and aggravation from a broken welder. Every time you have to mail back a broken welder, it adds $50.00 to your "original low price".

I don't want to be a guinea pig on the wrong end of a start up company as it goes through the growing pains of selling unproven, occasionally defective equipment that is evolving every 6 months (new and improved units).

[lugweld]

You'd have to send it in an awful lot of times to make up a 3000 dollar price gap.

Some people do want something new and different, but whatever floats your boat..

[Boostinjdm]

Originally Posted by lugweld

Some people do want something new and different, but whatever floats your boat..

Lot's of people fail at it too.....