Dual head miller s-60 worth?

[AMC724]

Hi,
I found a used miller dual head s-60 with a xmt304 and was wondering what the setup might be worth.

Im thinking about buying this one and selling my single head s-60.
would be cool to break even on he deal

Thanks for any replys,
Aaron

[7A749]

Originally Posted by AMC724

Hi,
I found a used miller dual head s-60 with a xmt304 and was wondering what the setup might be worth.

Im thinking about buying this one and selling my single head s-60.
would be cool to break even on he deal

Thanks for any replys,
Aaron

All depends. Since you're buying as an end user & not looking to resell......

The feeder can sell for $500 to $1500 easily to the right customer. If it's clean & works fine, $600-800 is a pretty good buy.

I have sold them for around $900 to $1200 on average (reconditioned with a 90 day warranty). My top price is lower than a rental fleet/general machinery resaler by a few hundred easily.

The XMT, depending on age & condition, from $800-$1700 in today's market. A grand to $1500 is average for a clean, good working unit.

If you get both machines for $1700 or less, good deal for sure. For $1500, better get on it before someone else does.

I would think high end would be around $2800+ for both units. Just a rough idea, if the price is good, go for it. If the feeder has extras like 4 drive rolls, DRO's, remote voltage & the burnback/postflow package, just icing on the cake.

Good luck.

[AMC724]

Thanks for the info
here is what i ended up getting....
2) s-60 dual head feeders
2) xmt 304s (one non fuctional)
1) s-60 single head with 1 set of drive rollers(one set of wheels in he head)

so now it time to fix the xmt that is broke

Thanks,
Aaron

[7A749]

Originally Posted by AMC724

Thanks for the info
here is what i ended up getting....
2) s-60 dual head feeders
2) xmt 304s (one non fuctional)
1) s-60 single head with 1 set of drive rollers(one set of wheels in he head)

so now it time to fix the xmt that is broke

Thanks,
Aaron

Now, what did you pay for it all? Sounds like you got quite a bit more than originally posted.

[AMC724]

My plan is to fix the broken XMT (hopefully cheap) and sell both XMTs (I love my maxtron) paired with single head S-60's (the one i got today and the one currently paired with my maxtron) and pair my maxtron with a dual head s-60

$1500 to answer the question

[7A749]

Originally Posted by AMC724

My plan is to fix the broken XMT (hopefully cheap) and sell both XMTs (I love my maxtron) paired with single head S-60's (the one i got today and the one currently paired with my maxtron) and pair my maxtron with a dual head s-60

$1500 to answer the question

For all of it?

I'm building an altar of worship to you right now....

Good shopping.

I like them Maxtrons too.

450? Repaired & sold quite a few of them. Was going to keep one for myself, but a new in the box XMT 304 came along for $750 & I couldn't pass it up.

You did well. Those prices can also reflect resale values. I sell Maxtron 450's with a 60 feeder, gun & lead for around $1800 with a 90 day warranty. You should be able to do the same on the 304 packages, maybe a little better.

Good luck with it.

[AMC724]

Yes Maxtron 450
Im hopeing to get around $2200 (So is my Dad he fronted all the money and we are going to split the profit)
what is amazing is this equiment has been on craigslist for about a month and no one touched it.
Today was the last day of an estate sale and we got a steal.
there still was some equiment left but it didnt peak my interest
a goldstar $400?
cp200 with 52a feeder $700
52a feeder $350
another xmt 304 with pulser and intelitig (and someother equipment attached i dont remeber) $6000

and a few other i dont remeber
the lady said she has a wholeseller coming next week to give a bid for the remainder and i could put a bid for the other xmt if the wholeseller is willing to seperate and not buy for less (if that makes and sense).

[7A749]

Originally Posted by AMC724

Yes Maxtron 450
Im hopeing to get around $2200 (So is my Dad he fronted all the money and we are going to split the profit)
what is amazing is this equiment has been on craigslist for about a month and no one touched it.
Today was the last day of an estate sale and we got a steal.
there still was some equiment left but it didnt peak my interest
a goldstar $400?
cp200 with 52a feeder $700
52a feeder $350
another xmt 304 with pulser and intelitig (and someother equipment attached i dont remeber) $6000

and a few other i dont remeber
the lady said she has a wholeseller coming next week to give a bid for the remainder and i could put a bid for the other xmt if the wholeseller is willing to seperate and not buy for less (if that makes and sense).

Yeah, you got the cream of the crop, for sure. The rest is overpriced. Offer $800 on the other XMT & maybe a couple hundred on the pulser if it's an Optima model.

The Goldstar, if a 400SS or larger has quite good resale potential to the right buyer. The 300SS isn't worth much, the buyers usually interested in them want a machine they can carbon arc with & 400 amps is usually entry level in that department. Of course, the SRH models (entirely analog, no boards or SCR's) fetch the best money when it's the 444 model or larger. Just something to keep in mind.

Your price on an XMT package is fair & leaves you room to negotiate. You can go solo on them too, piecing them out as machine & feeder separately. Just don't start replacing parts on the burned up one until you know what you have to work with.

Repairing inverters can be tricky & in many cases, a small problem (say for instance a bleed or precharge resistor on a Maxtron 450) can blow SCR's, board components & even IGBT modules, costing you BIG money to correct.

There's some good places to get aftermarket parts like Galco & Allied Electronics. www.industrialelectronics.com is a very fair place to get blown boards repaired as well.

You'll need a technical manual for the XMT's to perform a pre power check to give a base determination of what you have to work with. For what you paid for everything, if you can't isolate & repair the bad 304 reasonably, sell everything else & part it out.

It can get expensive fast, especially if you start buying replacement parts & drop them in without checking the entire system first. If you're already compentent with electronics, then I'm just preaching to the choir.

Again, good buy. Post up what you find on the broken unit.

If you end up needing feeder parts, PM me. I have a LOT Sure we could work something out.

[AMC724]

I was thinnking about offering $900 for the pair.
BTW you got a steal on a XMT new for $750 WOW!

The lady said the main board was bad on the broke one.
I appreciate all the info so far, im hope a lot more will be coming
Im going to start a new post when i get to the broke XMT but for startes heres a pic of the fried board


Thanks,
Aaron

[AMC724]

Hard to tell from the pic but the burnt spot is where the yelloe wire connects in the upper middle.

[AMC724]

Oh cool im no longer a "Solderer"

[7A749]

Originally Posted by AMC724

Oh cool im no longer a "Solderer"

I'm not really familiar with the 304 machines inside, but I can prolly help you out with a manual. I'll PM you tomorrow.

I believe the IGBT modules are connected to that board. Believe there's one just like it on the other side. Have to look for sure.

Gotta hit the hay.

[weldersales]

There is only one interconnect board on the right side of the machine and the two igbt's are under it. It may be that the problem started with the split protection device toward the top of PC2 - the interconnect board - just above the 4 pin Molex connector with the two black and two white twisted wires. I believe that is a MOV - metal oxide varistor - protects against voltage spikes. The small board on lower right has about 7 of them to guard against incoming surges - Miller calls that the MOV board.You may be able to salvage that large board. The two diodes near the bottom attached with pop rivets often fail and we stock many if you need them. Your machine has the large auxiliary transformer at the back probably to run a circulator for tig. Most XMT's don't have the optional receptacle on the back. Sure adds a lot of weight to the unit, but nice if you want to do water cooled tig.
Ideally, you would want to exercise the two large electrolytic capacitors before you connect to incoming power. By doing that with a low current source any failures are non-events as opposed to the violent explosive failures under essentially unlimited current from the power company. We would be happy to do those tests here as well as check out PC2 at no charge. In any case, it is very good practice to monitor the voltage on C3 during power up - should be about 335 volts no matter what you are powering the machine with. weldersales

[7A749]

Originally Posted by weldersales

There is only one interconnect board on the right side of the machine and the two igbt's are under it. It may be that the problem started with the split protection device toward the top of PC2 - the interconnect board - just above the 4 pin Molex connector with the two black and two white twisted wires. I believe that is a MOV - metal oxide varistor - protects against voltage spikes. The small board on lower right has about 7 of them to guard against incoming surges - Miller calls that the MOV board.You may be able to salvage that large board. The two diodes near the bottom attached with pop rivets often fail and we stock many if you need them. Your machine has the large auxiliary transformer at the back probably to run a circulator for tig. Most XMT's don't have the optional receptacle on the back. Sure adds a lot of weight to the unit, but nice if you want to do water cooled tig.
Ideally, you would want to exercise the two large electrolytic capacitors before you connect to incoming power. By doing that with a low current source any failures are non-events as opposed to the violent explosive failures under essentially unlimited current from the power company. We would be happy to do those tests here as well as check out PC2 at no charge. In any case, it is very good practice to monitor the voltage on C3 during power up - should be about 335 volts no matter what you are powering the machine with. weldersales

Thanks for the info Larry

Always good to hear from you here.

[AMC724]

Thanks Larry,
I might take you up on the offer (depending on what my dad wants to do)
with out looking at it do you think you could give me a best and worst case scenario price?

today we hooked upthe dual wire feeders and tried them out.
1) has a relay that makes alot of racket when the left feeder is active
2)had a rats nest inside and the rat chewed several wires

1) i taped on the relay and it quit making noise and works great.
2) cleaned rats nest, fixed wires and works like a champ.

fun day
and painted a bunch of columns and beams for a building we are putting up next week

Aaron

[AMC724]

Oh and Larry,
is the trade still good on the 60m for my s-64?
and if it is got one ready?

Thanks,
Aaron