everlast scam

[Sandy]

The "within 30 days of purchase" is pure Everlast BS. Any court will rule that the 30 days does not necessarily begin with the receipt of customers payment but normally on the date the customer receives a working functional unit. The deal is consumated by the customer receiving a functional unit and the seller receiving due payment. If the customer takes possession of a product but choses not to verify it's functionallity for thirty days then the customer has consumated the deal by non action. If the seller receives payment but the customer has not yet received a working & functional unit then the deal is not complete and the thirty days cannot start.

In short no seller can string the customer out for thirty days then wave good bye. The transaction is not complete.

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by Sandy

The "within 30 days of purchase" is pure Everlast BS. Any court will rule that the 30 days does not necessarily begin with the receipt of customers payment but normally on the date the customer receives a working functional unit. The deal is consumated by the customer receiving a functional unit and the seller receiving due payment. If the customer takes possession of a product but choses not to verify it's functionallity for thirty days then the customer has consumated the deal by non action. If the seller receives payment but the customer has not yet received a working & functional unit then the deal is not complete and the thirty days cannot start.

In short no seller can string the customer out for thirty days then wave good bye. The transaction is not complete.

sandy .. can u take time and at least READ everything ? let me recap for you

unit was paid 1 year ago ... ups trashed the first unit .. new unit was send shortly after. 30days from the day of costumer getting WORKING would of been over long time ago AND his unit STILL works but possible have a bad plasma torch

[tim7091]

One knows that if my check was no good EVERLAST would want there product back.their product was not good what's wrong with wanting my money back.I wish I was around in the wild west.when a man's word ment something.

[Sandy]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

sandy .. can u take time and at least READ everything ? let me recap for you

unit was paid 1 year ago ... ups trashed the first unit .. new unit was send shortly after. 30days from the day of costumer getting WORKING would of been over long time ago AND his unit STILL works but possible have a bad plasma torch

UPS trashing a unit is not the customers problem. That's not up for discussion.

[Swamp rat]

Kinda seems like all the bad publicity and he said ,she said and still no working equipment - looks like the problem would be resolved in whatever way customer asked. Maybe all the comments and words dont mean much but one refund would have been A LOT cheaper than ruining any reputation that your company DID have. Seems like the 500-600 machines a month now may be history. All over one machine!

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by tim7091

One knows that if my check was no good EVERLAST would want there product back.their product was not good what's wrong with wanting my money back.I wish I was around in the wild west.when a man's word ment something.

Tim , Here is what Everlast can offer you ( this is offer from the start of the problem)

Will pay for shipping both ways on 1 year old unit to our service center
or
Ship you new plasma torch and 100$ worth of consumables for the troubles
or
Be honest with everybody and say you cant afford the welder for whatever reason and you need money

IF YOU WILL NOT TAKE ANY OF THIS 3 OPTIONS I WILL CONSIDER THAT UNIT IS WORKING FINE AND YOU WERE JUST BORED AT HOME AND DECIDED TO CREATE SOME DRAMA ON WW.

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by Sandy

UPS trashing a unit is not the customers problem. That's not up for discussion.

you right ... UPS picked up the unit and we send him new one shortly
dont see you point Sandy

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by Swamp rat

Kinda seems like all the bad publicity and he said ,she said and still no working equipment - looks like the problem would be resolved in whatever way customer asked. Maybe all the comments and words dont mean much but one refund would have been A LOT cheaper than ruining any reputation that your company DID have. Seems like the 500-600 machines a month now may be history. All over one machine!

Swamp

we cant give refund on ONE YEAR old unit .. warranty is valid and we offer to pay for shipping both ways

[Swamp rat]

Well sometimes rules have to be bent - how would it feel to have bought a car and due to warranty issues you cannt drive it for a Year . Doesnt someones time of use or Lack of mean anything. I know i'll receive a well thought rule or policy pertaining to this - but only my thoughts.

[Sandy]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

sandy .. can u take time and at least READ everything ? let me recap for you

unit was paid 1 year ago ... ups trashed the first unit .. new unit was send shortly after. 30days from the day of costumer getting WORKING would of been over long time ago AND his unit STILL works but possible have a bad plasma torch

You keep wanting to somehow treat the "torch" as if it is separate from the unit. That is just not so from the consumer standpoint. If that "torch could function on its own while separated from the unit then it might be construed as a separate issue, but that is just not possible in this case. He purchased a functional unit of which the torch is but one component. The Unit includes the torch, a torch is included as part of the unit therefore if the torch is not functional the Unit is not functional. You cannot simply separate the power source from the torch. It requires both to function as advertized. ie., Still no functional unit.

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by Swamp rat

Well sometimes rules have to be bent - how would it feel to have bought a car and due to warranty issues you cannt drive it for a Year . Doesnt someones time of use or Lack of mean anything. I know i'll receive a well thought rule or policy pertaining to this - but only my thoughts.

Swamp rat ... u missing a point

Tim's unit is working even now... possible issue with the torch. Do you think he had a broken unit for a year ? That is not the case

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by Sandy

You keep wanting to somehow treat the "torch" as if it is separate from the unit. That is just not so from the consumer standpoint. If that "torch could function on its own while separated from the unit then it might be construed as a separate issue, but that is just not possible in this case. He purchased a functional unit of which the torch is but one component. The Unit includes the torch, a torch is included as part of the unit therefore if the torch is not functional the Unit is not functional. You cannot simply separate the power source from the torch. It requires both to function as advertized. ie., Still no functional unit.

Sandy, his issue with the torch started this week. I think he called mark on Monday or late lost week. We have no problem sending him new torch, Mark also told him to check the swirl ring.

[Scott Young]

If you buy a car and the starter is not working the car will not work. The power plant may be fine, but you can't use the car till the starter is fixed. A welder that is sent with a bad torch is no different than a welder sent with a bad board. It doesn't work, it doesn't work, it doesn't work. No matter how you try to spin this, it doesn't work!!!

Oleg, I give you credit for being industrious to learn a new language and start a business, but you need some business classes. Your business model is faulty. You are trying to keep from being cheated, but you are in the process cutting your own throat.

[Thumper99]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Ship you new plasma torch and 100$ worth of consumables for the troubles

Sounds like a pretty good deal to me, if that is indeed the problem.

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by Scott Young

If you buy a car and the starter is not working the car will not work. The power plant may be fine, but you can't use the car till the starter is fixed. A welder that is sent with a bad torch is no different than a welder sent with a bad board. It doesn't work, it doesn't work, it doesn't work. No matter how you try to spin this, it doesn't work!!!

Oleg, I give you credit for being industrious to learn a new language and start a business, but you need some business classes. Your business model is faulty. You are trying to keep from being cheated, but you are in the process cutting your own throat.

Scott,

unit was send with WORKING torch long time ago , his torch problem started recently
no more then 3-4 days ago. Its pure warranty which we don't mind doing

[tim7091]

Boy oleg is so smart.no I don't need the money.if I had a refund I would buy a unit from someone that can produce one that works.don't forget about the second unit that blew sparks out the bottom the first time used.last week was the first time I tried the plasma cutter.guess what no dice failure.but its my fault again.that's alright I will be sure to keep telling .people about how EVERLAST does business.I'm sure over time this will cost u a lot more than it cost me.people can see right threw u.you should hear how he talks to his customers over the phone.

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by tim7091

Boy oleg is so smart.no I don't need the money.if I had a refund I would buy a unit from someone that can produce one that works.don't forget about the second unit that blew sparks out the bottom the first time used.last week was the first time I tried the plasma cutter.guess what no dice failure.but its my fault again.that's alright I will be sure to keep telling .people about how EVERLAST does business.I'm sure over time this will cost u a lot more than it cost me.people can see right threw u.you should hear how he talks to his customers over the phone.

Tim , Here is what Everlast can offer you ( this is offer from the start of the problem)

Will pay for shipping both ways on 1 year old unit to our service center
or
Ship you new plasma torch and 100$ worth of consumables for the troubles
or
Be honest with everybody and say you cant afford the welder for whatever reason and you need money

IF YOU WILL NOT TAKE ANY OF THIS 3 OPTIONS I WILL CONSIDER THAT UNIT IS WORKING FINE AND YOU WERE JUST BORED AT HOME AND DECIDED TO CREATE SOME DRAMA ON WW.

You talked to Mark not me
have a good night

[ship-craft]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Scott,

unit was send with WORKING torch long time ago , his torch problem started recently
no more then 3-4 days ago. Its pure warranty which we don't mind doing

Oleg:

I tried to get Tim to sell me his unit. I PM-ed him I even posted in many threads but no reply. You even posted on WW that you would extend to me the warranty which made this as good as a new unit in my mind. So if he needed the money why not sell it to me. I did not care if the unit was not working I knew I could fix it I worked maintenance in a large welding shop for many years and worked on all the big 3 Red,Blue and Yellow. So I have no choice but to think there is some other reason for all the drama. But I will not even try to understand all the things that go through peoples minds. Oleg I will call you Monday to order my next welder I like the units it must be the green ( I am Irish ).

P.S. Not even RED BLUE and YELLOW are perfect ( OOOOOO the stories I could tell )

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by
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Oleg:

I tried to get Tim to sell me his unit. I PM-ed him I even posted in many threads but no reply. You even posted on WW that you would extend to me the warranty which made this as good as a new unit in my mind. So if he needed the money why not sell it to me. I did not care if the unit was not working I knew I could fix it I worked maintenance in a large welding shop for many years and worked on all the big 3 Red,Blue and Yellow. So I have no choice but to think there is some other reason for all the drama. But I will not even try to understand all the things that go through peoples minds. Oleg I will call you Monday to order my next welder I like the units it must be the green ( I am Irish ).

P.S. Not even RED BLUE and YELLOW are perfect ( OOOOOO the stories I could tell )

ship-craft

thank you for support .. i honestly think his unit is working fine.
not sure what his REAL agenda is !

"OOOOOO the stories I could tell" DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT ON WW OR ELSE !

GOOD NIGHT WW !

[Swamp rat]

Suckers born everyday!

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by Swamp rat

Suckers born everyday!

Good nigh Swamp !!!

[Scott Young]

tim, was the torch working when you recieved it? if it wasn't why have you waited so long to replace it?

I am backing out of this one. Oleg, I would seriously looking into revising your policies some so you can begin to eliminate some of the bad press.

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by Scott Young

tim, was the torch working when you recieved it? if it wasn't why have you waited so long to replace it?

I am backing out of this one. Oleg, I would seriously looking into revising your policies some so you can begin to eliminate some of the bad press.

Scott , i send you PM

[tim7091]

Didnt try it till last week.it work for about 60 seconds.ill ask this question why can't oleg refund my money take the unit back wholesale the unit to his budy.I don't lose he don't lose its over.I don't want to deal with EVERLAST last anymore.if I keep this unit I have to deal with this shady operation as long as I have the unit.should have never should my airco dipak 160.I've Ben RIPED off before I refuse to let low life take advantage of me I will do anything in my power stop EVERLAST from gettin over on anyone else.

[Tensaiteki]

Aww cripes, I step away to go see a movie and the friggin' thread blows up....

Ok, how about this everyone?

Why don't we all just step away from this thread for, say, 24 hours? Lets everyone calm down and think about things for a bit, and we can try to resume this discussion/negotiations at a later date.

(I could lock the thread to enforce this, but I think we're all adults here, and I don't want to go using my mod powers to impose my personal will.)