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Old 06-07-2006, 12:41 AM
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Titanium natural color?

What is the normal / natural color of titanium? Because there are lots of electric hair shavers out there that have titanium blades. But when I look at the blades they are gold in color. But I always though titanium was gray. So I got confused on what color it actually is.
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It's gray.
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Old 06-07-2006, 12:50 AM
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It's gray. The gold is most likely a cadmium plating. Don't ask me why you would want to plate titanium....cuz I don't know the answer.
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Old 06-07-2006, 01:29 AM
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How much stronger is titanium then mild steel or like AR 500 hardox?
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Old 06-07-2006, 01:59 AM
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The gold is Titanium Nitride, same as for your drill bits. I think Zirconium nitride gives better hardness, it's a little more gray but still has some gold tint to it.
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Old 06-07-2006, 02:17 AM
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So is this titanium nitrate as strong as just pure titanium? Do you know what titanium alloy is the strongest? But just 100% pure titanium is gray right?
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Old 06-07-2006, 02:40 AM
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Don't confuse hardness and strength.

Titanium is fairly strong, especially for its light weight; it makes good knife handles and aircraft parts.

Titanium Nitride is very hard and makes a good coating for cutting edges and such.
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I know the difference between hardness and strength. You say titanium is fairly strong. I though titanium is the strongest element off the periodic table known to man.
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Old 06-07-2006, 09:13 AM
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From my r/c hobby, I was under the impression that Ti's advantage is that it's close to the strength of steel, with weight closer to Aluminum. I could be wrong though.
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Old 06-07-2006, 12:19 PM
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6Al4Vmay be the strongest. I don't know for sure. Lot of aircraft and racing parts use this alloy.............. Approx.2/3 the weight of steel....... One of the most corrosive resistant metals.............. Drill bits are not made of titanium.They are steel or carbide.Coated with Ti-Nitride which I think is a vapor deposition process. Ti-N is a harder material than the substrate it is placed upon and gives longer tool wear provided feeds and speeds are correct................. Most if not all Ti. alloys can be welded,turns beautiful colors when welded or heated. Can also be anodized to beautiful colors.
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Titanium may be the strongest element, but steels and such can be stronger (steel is not an element as it is a mixture of iron, carbon, and other elements). Osmium is the hardest element. Titanium nitride may not be a metal just as iron oxide (rust) is not a metal.

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Titanium has high heat properties, as well as anticrosion. You can imagine how important high heat properties would be to soemthing like a hair clipper or a drill bit. When metals get hot, its all respective, they tend to loose strengths. So they get dull. If you have a metal that will retain properties at higher temps, you have a longer life material.
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Most if not all Ti. alloys can be welded,turns beautiful colors when welded or heated. Can also be anodized to beautiful colors.
If your Ti is turning colors ( blue, purple, grey ) when welding you are not getting the proper sheilding gas coverage. Both the bead and the penetration on properly welded titanium should be a bright silver, some codes will allow you to have it tint to gold, but if you start getting your blues you better stop and re-group
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From my r/c hobby, I was under the impression that Ti's advantage is that it's close to the strength of steel, with weight closer to Aluminum. I could be wrong though.
Close? I though titanium is MUCH stronger then steel? Anyone know?
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Old 06-08-2006, 03:03 AM
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It is not MUCH stronger than steel. High strength alloys of titanium net 150ksi, similar to low grade chrome moly steel. 4340 chro mo has a tensile strength of upwards of 285 ksi, nearly twice as strong. Some tool alloys are like 450+ksi.
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So basically the rumor that titanium alloys are the ultimate product for strength is just a load of bs compared to other high strength steels?
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Old 06-10-2006, 10:25 AM
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So basically the rumor that titanium alloys are the ultimate product for strength is just a load of bs compared to other high strength steels?

As mentioned above, it's difficult to say what is the ultimate product for strength. Titanium is certainly not the strongest metal around. I know that the principal value of titaniium in Aerospace is its heat resistance. The SR-71 Blackbird had a complete titanium skin. In racing cars and motorcycles, it's the lighter weight coupled with it's relative strength that makes it so sought after. It makes wonderful connecting rods, for example.

There are some steels mentioned above that are stronger than titanium but which weigh far more. I do know that titanium is right up there for cost. Few structural metals cost more. It's pretty, though.........


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Old 06-10-2006, 11:03 AM
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Titanium is very strong , FOR ITS WEIGHT . its about 2/3 the weight of steel. That's why some race motors (engines) like racing Porches used them, (factory racers ) . dragsters don't use them ,because they are about 1/3rd heavier that aluminum rods and they replace the aluminum rods as often as necessary, no matter the cost. after all , it's sponsors money , not theirs .GNM 109 mentioned heat resistance . he is correct. I saw an f 104 land at Hamilton air force base once, he pulled up to the transit alert , and a tug came rightaway, & pulled it into airo-repair. I went to see what was wrong . the wings were NO longer shiny , but dull and crispy . it seems it could go way faster than the "official listed speeds" , the pilot burned the wings with speed ! had to re skin it
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