#1  
Old 01-15-2007, 05:55 PM
SrA_USAF's Avatar
SrA_USAF SrA_USAF is offline
WeldingWeb Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Eastern PA
Posts: 26
Prints

Sounds crazy but does anyone has any blueprints saved on their computer? The web doesn't have any "actual" drawings..Just a lot of symbols and their meaning. I'm trying to familiarize myself to them and their symbols and how it all goes together. Most of the employers that I have interviewed require the employee to already have knowledge of reading prints . What better experience than to have it on the job huh...

Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-15-2007, 07:58 PM
zapster's Avatar
zapster zapster is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In A Nice Comfy Chair
Posts: 13,811
Re: Prints

most blueprints are "classified"

surley you are familure with the term...

...zap!
__________________


I am not completely insane..
Some parts are missing

I have figured out that keeping everyone happy is nearly impossible but pissing people off is easy and fun.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-15-2007, 08:23 PM
Doolittle Doolittle is offline
WeldingWeb Craftsman
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,052
Re: Prints

Go to a blue printing outfit.. (company's that do nothing but print blue prints i.e. Atlas, WD partners etc. etc.) and ask em if they have any bad prints you could have. Most companies have someone print copies of their drawings (need many copies of a book of blue prints for a structure).

Tell em your learning drafting or something and want to see how its done in the real world. If they say no, just look in the dipsty dumpster. I gaurantee you it will be full of flub ups..(not drawing problems, but prints smeared, or bad finishing or crease etc).

If your real nice and you seem to be getting along with em ask if they can help you understand whats being shown (Dont be suprised if they have no idea).

Any of this seem like good ideas to you?

You could allways take a semester of drafting, I did and it was quite fun. Still dont know if you'd find all the information you need because depending on what your working on, depicts the symbols that will be used. Much like welding, I had never seen the 'arrow', side to weld, thickness of bead, type of joint before.

Zaps right about the classified stuff, but some of its not (public works, gas station, etc).
__________________
Various Grinders
Victor Journeyman torch
200cf Acet. 250cf oxygen
Lincoln 175 plus/alpha2 gun
Lincoln v205t tig
Lincoln 350mp
Esab 650 plasma
When you can get up in the morning, Its a good day.
Live each day like its your last.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-15-2007, 08:52 PM
billie_ billie_ is offline
WeldingWeb Journeyman
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 100
Re: Prints

what type of blueprints...each trade has their own kind of drawings...some with many "cuts" to show you different parts of the same thing..or some that are mostly 3D..wiring prints...plumbing prints..structural prints..ect.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-15-2007, 08:55 PM
billie_ billie_ is offline
WeldingWeb Journeyman
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 100
Re: Prints

erection drawings or fabricating drawings (forgo
t to mention them)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-15-2007, 11:37 PM
SrA_USAF's Avatar
SrA_USAF SrA_USAF is offline
WeldingWeb Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Eastern PA
Posts: 26
Re: Prints

I'm looking for mostly what the weldor is going to look at. Erecting, fabrication..As i think about it, production shop work would probably be the best. I read the "Welding Symbols" chapter in my book and got a really good understanding on what they all mean so next would be to see it in action so when they say "can you read prints?" I can be more prepared to answer.

Thanks for the help thus far.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-15-2007, 11:55 PM
lotechman lotechman is offline
WeldingWeb Artisan
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: B.C. Canada
Posts: 2,116
Re: Prints

"Can you read prints" is a standard question. I have heard it too often. Even though there are standards concerning drafting practice every shop has different styles.
There are textbooks on print reading. "Blueprint reading for Welders" is one that comes to mind.
Structural drawings have their own nomenclature and can be pretty confusing unless you know how to apply the abbreviations such as GOSL or sometimes just listed as ga. Gauge on standing leg means the distance from the heel of the angle to the centerline of the holes. Applied to flanges on a beam it is the distance between holes.
One that had me laughing was Near Side and other Other Side in a shipyard I worked in. The O.S. often got confused with other things. The correct is near side and far side. NS & FS
I am also running into third angle projections using the European standard. End views can be seen in error causing all kinds of problems. I notice some sharp draftsmen are labeling all end views to remove all doubt.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-16-2007, 01:18 AM
littlefuzz's Avatar
littlefuzz littlefuzz is offline
WeldingWeb Artisan
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: middle tennessee
Posts: 1,789
Re: Prints

Don't really matter, the prints are usually wrong anyway.
__________________
Dewayne
Dixieland Welding

MM350P
Lincoln 100
Some torches
Other misc. tools
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-16-2007, 08:13 AM
SrA_USAF's Avatar
SrA_USAF SrA_USAF is offline
WeldingWeb Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Eastern PA
Posts: 26
Re: Prints

Quote:
Originally Posted by lotechman
"Can you read prints" is a standard question. I have heard it too often. Even though there are standards concerning drafting practice every shop has different styles.
There are textbooks on print reading. "Blueprint reading for Welders" is one that comes to mind.
Structural drawings have their own nomenclature and can be pretty confusing unless you know how to apply the abbreviations such as GOSL or sometimes just listed as ga. Gauge on standing leg means the distance from the heel of the angle to the centerline of the holes. Applied to flanges on a beam it is the distance between holes.
One that had me laughing was Near Side and other Other Side in a shipyard I worked in. The O.S. often got confused with other things. The correct is near side and far side. NS & FS
I am also running into third angle projections using the European standard. End views can be seen in error causing all kinds of problems. I notice some sharp draftsmen are labeling all end views to remove all doubt.
Ya so their talking about reading them in general. Maybe I could just take a ride to the place and ask to see their operation.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-16-2007, 11:33 AM
pulser's Avatar
pulser pulser is offline
WeldingWeb Craftsman
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Posts: 1,708
Re: Prints

"Blueprint Reading for Welders" is a book I used in junior college.
It may be a good start.
http://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-Read.../dp/0766808521
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 01-16-2007, 12:59 PM
SrA_USAF's Avatar
SrA_USAF SrA_USAF is offline
WeldingWeb Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Eastern PA
Posts: 26
Re: Prints

Thanks a lot for all the help everyone.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 01-24-2007, 01:35 PM
DetailerDave's Avatar
DetailerDave DetailerDave is offline
WeldingWeb Apprentice
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Wilmington, De
Posts: 44
Re: Prints

Whereabouts in eastern Pa are you? I save drawings from all my jobs in the computer. I have PDF drawings if you need some to look at.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01-24-2007, 02:17 PM
SrA_USAF's Avatar
SrA_USAF SrA_USAF is offline
WeldingWeb Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Eastern PA
Posts: 26
Re: Prints

Quote:
Originally Posted by DetailerDave
Whereabouts in eastern Pa are you? I save drawings from all my jobs in the computer. I have PDF drawings if you need some to look at.
I'm from Quakertown. About 45 min north of Philly.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 01-24-2007, 04:01 PM
DetailerDave's Avatar
DetailerDave DetailerDave is offline
WeldingWeb Apprentice
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Wilmington, De
Posts: 44
Re: Prints

Quote:
Originally Posted by SrA_USAF
I'm from Quakertown. About 45 min north of Philly.
I used to work in Willow Grove. I used to visit our vendors up your way frequently. I got your message.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 01-24-2007, 04:08 PM
SrA_USAF's Avatar
SrA_USAF SrA_USAF is offline
WeldingWeb Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Eastern PA
Posts: 26
Re: Prints

Quote:
Originally Posted by DetailerDave
I used to work in Willow Grove. I used to visit our vendors up your way frequently. I got your message.
Ya their days are coming to a close very quickly (the base that is)
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 01-24-2007, 09:04 PM
backuproller's Avatar
backuproller backuproller is offline
WeldingWeb Tradesman
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: moncks corner, sc
Posts: 454
Re: Prints

try these
www.draftingzone.com www.tpub.com www.asme.com www.thesheetmetalshop.com www.adda.com www.efunda.com
__________________
"Retreat hell, were just fighting in the other direction"

Miller Trailblazer 302, Extreme 12 VS, Dimension 400, Spectrum 375, HF 251D-1, Milermatic 251 w/ spoolgun
Hypertherm 1000
Lincoln sp 170

2000 F-450 to haul it
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 02-21-2007, 08:13 PM
TozziWelding's Avatar
TozziWelding TozziWelding is online now
WeldingWeb Artisan
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Marlborough, The Peoples Republik of MA
Posts: 2,896
Re: Prints

After you figure out how to read prints, engineeres will be at the top of "the list".
__________________
Disclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:49 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Penton Media, Inc. All rights reserved.