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02 Lariat
11-26-2008, 12:23 AM
Hi all. I'm looking to purchase the Champion 10,000 this Friday but have a few questions first. What is CC vs. AC power? How is it different in running power tools, etc? Any good or bad feedback on it's performance would be great. It normally sells for $2700.00 but is on sale for 15% off this Friday. Thanks.

lugweld
11-26-2008, 12:47 AM
Last time I looked, the hobart machines were low on the duty cycle.

duaneb55
11-26-2008, 12:54 AM
100% @ 170A / 60% @ 210A / 30% @ 230A. Not that bad at all for the intended use.

Broccoli1
11-26-2008, 01:04 AM
For this machine:

CC= Constant Current= Weldin' Juice
and it is a DC only machine= DC Stick and DC Tig (No Aloominum)
230 amps

AC= Alternating current= Aux power fer udder tools
10,000 watts of available power.
Plug in a Mig machine or an AC/DC Tig machine and you can do AL

Broccoli1
11-26-2008, 01:18 AM
http://www.hobartwelders.com/weldtalk/showthread.php?t=32337

"Well, to start with, the Champion is rated at 230A @30% duty cycle. The Bobcats are all 100% duty cycle, at all amperages. The Champion is a DC only machine machine, the Bobcats are AC/DC machines. The Champion is a CC only machine, the Bobcats have a CV setting for running a suitcase wirefeeder. And the Bobcats are designed to run other accessory machines from their auxiliary power, like plasma cutters. The manual for my Spectrum 2050 plasma gives instructions for connecting it to Bobcats and Trailblazers, then states that it is NOT intended for use with a Hobart Champion 10,000. Are these differences significant? Like I said, depends on what your needs are.
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The part that concerns me is that you wanted to run a Plasma cutter : It would be worth the call in to Hobart tomorrow regarding warning from Miller not to use a Champion:confused::confused:

02 Lariat
11-26-2008, 11:32 AM
OK. So I'm hearing a lot about these Bobcats. Who makes it?

Broccoli1
11-26-2008, 12:02 PM
http://www.millerwelds.com/products/enginedriven/

ironman715
11-26-2008, 12:02 PM
Miller makes the Bobcat. Miller makes top of the line stuff. As far as I know Miller is also making Hobart...Hobart being intended for home owner/hobby welders and not professional welders or people with heavy duty welding demands. If you are looking for a decent enngine driven welder I would check SERIOUSLY into buying something used from RED D ARC.

http://www.red-d-arc.com/used_equipment.aspx

They have a Lincoln GX271 thats a great machine for sale and at a pretty decent price even with shipping.

'Mike

Broccoli1
11-26-2008, 12:37 PM
100% @ 170A / 60% @ 210A / 30% @ 230A. Not that bad at all for the intended use.

Exactly- the Champion for 2300.00 may be all that is needed. How often is a farm dood using AC welding?

ironman715
11-26-2008, 01:51 PM
If you check out RED D ARC used stuff he can get a better machine for about the same money and it will do more and have a better duty cycle.

'Mike

tresi
11-27-2008, 04:35 PM
No the Hobarts don't have all the features of Millers(bobcats) and Lincolns(rangers) but they are good enough for most hobbist/farmers/ranchers whatever and are a bit cheaper. Also checkout Sams and sears for Lincoln Eagle welders if money is tight. An eagle is a no fills ranger 10K.