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migsparks76
12-17-2015, 08:53 PM
I just ordered a new Millermatic 211 and have read a lot about how the torch gets very hot. What would a good upgrade be ?? Are the HTP Swan neck torchs any good ?? I was thinking about going to a 15' lead .... what experiences or feelings have users had ??

Mr. Smith
12-17-2015, 10:03 PM
The problem is that the machine has a 100A duty cycle of 100%, but the M100 gun has a 100A duty cycle of 60%. It's a mismatch, but Miller doesn't tell you that until you open the box and read the manual for the gun.

That said, I haven't had a problem with the gun getting hot. Use what comes with it until you outgrow it.

Sharon Needles
12-17-2015, 10:39 PM
I've used a 211 at work for the past year and a half and haven't had the gun get too hot, besides the neck getting a little too warm to hold a couple times. The gun that comes with them is really compact, nice for tight areas. We also have a Multimatic with a Bernard on it, it's a really nice gun but sucks for tight spots.

migsparks76
12-17-2015, 10:47 PM
I've used a 211 at work for the past year and a half and haven't had the gun get too hot, besides the neck getting a little too warm to hold a couple times. The gun that comes with them is really compact, nice for tight areas. We also have a Multimatic with a Bernard on it, it's a really nice gun but sucks for tight spots.
That's one thing i worried about, going to a bigger gun, was getting into tight spots. I have to do some finicky tight spots.

Sharon Needles
12-17-2015, 10:48 PM
What are you welding? Thickness?

migsparks76
12-17-2015, 10:52 PM
Mostly 1/8" - 3/16"

I have a old trailer my Dad built i need to widen.... it is going to be tight with lots of overhead welds to extend the frame, then put a new axle with perchs under.

Mr. Smith
12-17-2015, 11:05 PM
I doubt you'll bump into the gun's duty cycle welding trailer bits. What will surely annoy you is the gun's ten-foot length. If you're going to be laying on your back under a trailer, the last thing you want is to have to crawl out to move the machine. The M100 gun works great as long as you can get it to the workpiece. I have to use an extension cord to get it around my garage.

Oscar
12-17-2015, 11:06 PM
Dunk it in a bucket of water when it's too hot :laugh:

migsparks76
12-17-2015, 11:07 PM
I doubt you'll bump into the gun's duty cycle welding trailer bits. What will surely annoy you is the gun's ten-foot length. If you're going to be laying on your back under a trailer, the last thing you want is to have to crawl out to move the machine. The M100 gun works great as long as you can get it to the workpiece. I have to use an extension cord to get it around my garage.
I found a htp 15' gun for a reasonable price (m-15 replacement) would that be a good one? ? Or should i just stick with the miller m-15 ??

migsparks76
12-17-2015, 11:11 PM
Dunk it in a bucket of water when it's too hot [emoji23]
My Dad didn't raise any pussies .... if you can't stand a little heat, you shouldn't be welding .....

I would like a longer cord length though !!

Mr. Smith
12-17-2015, 11:20 PM
I found a htp 15' gun for a reasonable price (m-15 replacement) would that be a good one? ? Or should i just stick with the miller m-15 ??

I don't have any experience with the HTP stuff, but the Miller is pretty reasonable at $165 for a 15-footer:

http://www.weldersupply.com/P/1380/MillerMigMGUNftftft035WI

migsparks76
12-17-2015, 11:22 PM
I don't have any experience with the HTP stuff, but the Miller is pretty reasonable at $165 for a 15-footer:

http://www.weldersupply.com/P/1380/MillerMigMGUNftftft035WI
Unfortunately i live in Canada .... so you need to add another $100 to that price for me to get it landed in my garage ....

migsparks76
12-17-2015, 11:24 PM
Unfortunately i live in Canada .... so you need to add another $100 to that price for me to get it landed in my garage ....
Exchange is running close to 30% right now and as soon as anyone hears shipping to Canada, the rates go through the roof !!

Fabn4Fun
12-18-2015, 12:03 AM
Just got an HTP flex neck gun like this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Flex-Neck-Magnum-100L-K530-6-Mig-Welding-Gun-Lincoln-15-PowerMig-210MP-/201371816380), and the size is perfect for small tube work.

However !!! Flexing it all the way doesn't want to stay put. And worse - for me - is that resting the gun against my left glove tends to feel "rubbery" and wobble all over. After half a 10 lb spool of .030, I have yet to get a weld that's as straight or consistent as the standard M-10 style that came with a (cheap) HH140.

migsparks76
12-18-2015, 12:22 AM
Just got an HTP flex neck gun like this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Flex-Neck-Magnum-100L-K530-6-Mig-Welding-Gun-Lincoln-15-PowerMig-210MP-/201371816380), and the size is perfect for small tube work.

However !!! Flexing it all the way doesn't want to stay put. And worse - for me - is that resting the gun against my left glove tends to feel "rubbery" and wobble all over. After half a 10 lb spool of .030, I have yet to get a weld that's as straight or consistent as the standard M-10 style that came with a (cheap) HH140.
Good review ... i think i will pass on the flex neck ...

SuperArc
12-18-2015, 03:14 AM
Mostly 1/8" - 3/16"

I have a old trailer my Dad built i need to widen.... it is going to be tight with lots of overhead welds to extend the frame, then put a new axle with perchs under.
The gun it comes with will do just fine for what you want to do. Save your money for beer instead.

DerekV
12-18-2015, 08:20 AM
My experience with the gun getting hot is pretty much 100% due to running the machine in its upper register for minutes at a time. Usually with spray arc. You'll most likely not be doing that all the time, so the M10/15 is perfectly fine

DerekV
12-18-2015, 08:32 AM
I will also add that I have learned to like and appreciate the small size of the M10. It's really not bad with most hobby MIG welding.

I still haven't gotten a beefier torch yet, but I'm leaning towards a 15' M15 and a .023" liner for the M10.

I guess my question is: how much beefier is the M15? It looks identical to the M10 in pictures...

alphabravo
01-08-2016, 10:30 PM
When you guys talk about a gun for the 211, are you talking about the gun for wire welding or some kind of cutting torch attachment?

Oscar
01-08-2016, 10:38 PM
When you guys talk about a gun for the 211, are you talking about the gun for wire welding or some kind of cutting torch attachment?

The gun is the wire-feeding gun. You can't turn a MIG into plasma/oxy-fuel cutting contraption :laugh:

TRENT
01-08-2016, 11:51 PM
I will also add that I have learned to like and appreciate the small size of the M10. It's really not bad with most hobby MIG welding.

I still haven't gotten a beefier torch yet, but I'm leaning towards a 15' M15 and a .023" liner for the M10.

I guess my question is: how much beefier is the M15? It looks identical to the M10 in pictures...

I just bought the m-150 (I think that's what we're talking about). The only difference I seen was the length. Everything else looked the exact same just 5' longer. I put it on and ran about 8" of weld and it seamed to work just like the M-100. The extra 5' will come in handy. Here is a link to where I bought mine. http://www.ebay.com/itm/140505896079

calstar
01-09-2016, 12:44 PM
Too bad the 211 doesn't come with the 15' gun, it probably costs miller just a few bucks more to make than the 10', or at least offer it as an option when buying the 211.

Brian