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I'm looking for an economical and decent quality, small Oxygen/Acetylene setup for minor stuff out in the garage. I saw some with the various torches and the small (scuba-size) tanks but wanted to ask you experts on your opinions and recommendations.

Just need something to use on occasion, not an everyday tool for work - heating metal for bending, cutting, etc.
 
I believe the smith versa-torch kit comes with the AW1A torch, and while I can't say anything about the regulators or tanks.. the AW1A torch is awesome!! I was just playing with mine earlier today (just got it the other day), and it is really nice!! And makoman1860 really knows his torches (look at his photo in the oxy/fuel thread)...
 
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Excellent, thanks. The China comment is the exact reason why I posted this question. Guess I'll have to knuckle down and buy the good stuff instead of hitting Harbor Freight.

Nice pic by the way of those torches!
 
Excellent, thanks. The China comment is the exact reason why I posted this question. Guess I'll have to knuckle down and buy the good stuff instead of hitting Harbor Freight.

Nice pic by the way of those torches!
Thanks,
The only real reason Im trying to steer you clear of the China stuff is safety. Everything from materials, to tolerances, to fit and finish to cleanliness is suspect with them. Regulators are especially scary. Look up OAdoctor and see his thoughts on it, but im guessing they are similiar.
 
If you stick to Victor, Harris, Smith or Esab, you will be ok. Please do not go to HF. The quality is bad and there are no parts to repair. If HF regulators go do, they need to be scrapped. Brass is paying real good right now.

Try to get a kit with a "B" acetylene. It has about 20 cuft of gas. It is heavier than a MC cylinder, but you will be happier with it than you would with a "MC" cylinder.

I have set of rebuilt Victor regulator for sell, but I do not have a small combination torch at this time.

Let me know if I can help!
 
a 20 cf tank is too small for cutting.
the smallest cutting tip in my smith book uses 6 scfh acet for preheat which is twice or 3x the safe draw on tthat tank.
All of the equipment manufacturers sell portable torch outfits, some with a MC and some with a B. Smith sells a portable outfit with a #0 cutting tip and an MC cylinder. For quick jobs, it will work, but your correct, it is very easy to overdraw a small acetylene cylinder.

I should have been clearer with my post. So let me clarify. If Fuelboy is going to buy a portable outfit in one of the plastic or metal carrying case, get one that uses a B cylinder, but he will be very limited to the size of welding and cutting tip that can be use. If Fuelboy plans on only using it in one place and wants to purchase the cylinder, get the largest one the LWS will sell. If renting the cylinder, get a #5 acetylene (approx 390cf) and he will be able to do most oxygen/acetylene jobs.
 
Discussion starter · #11 ·
I really don't have any one specific use for this other than wanting the set-up on hand if I had to cut or heat to bend something. Sort of an all-purpose tool. I wish I had the room for the full-size tanks but don't.

There is a good welding supply that I'm going to check out today or tomorrow that sells Victor and Smith set-ups.

I appreciate this info. as I had no idea on a required tank draw due to a torch. If it's not one thing, it's another..

So what could happen if you were cutting something and exceeded the tanks draw?
 
You say you don't have room for the "full size" tanks... If you get those small tanks and do any substantial cutting or heating, you will quickly see the error of your ways. You'll spend more time running back and forth to the LWS to get your tanks refilled, after you run out of gas right in the middle of something, than you will actually cutting or heating anything. If I were you... (and I'm not) I'd find the room for the bigger tanks. :D
 
So what could happen if you were cutting something and exceeded the tanks draw?
I would guess that you could start sucking acetone out of the tank and potentially create a big BOOM!:blob2:
 
Why you need bigger acetylene tanks (other than having to refill more often):

1/7th Rule Acetylene is disolved in liquid acetone. Its release is similar to boiling a cryogenic liquid requiring the absorption of heat to maitain the pressure equilibrium. If you exceed the draw rate the liquid cools until it will no longer evaporate. On the way it cools the container and we observe condensation and frost forming on the container surface (especially propane bottles). Thus we say it has "frozen up".

To further agrevate the problem in acetylene cylinders you have the explosion prevention pumice foam fill that prevents circulation of the acetone, thus heat absorption is very slow. In propane cylinders it is common to see frost form on them but it is rare on acetylene cylinders. Generally acetylene cylinders just quit working without warning.

For brief periods cylinders will deliver much more than the 1/7th draw rate. The 1/7th rule is such that you can continously draw gas from the cylinder until it is empty. At the draw rate you theoreticaly have 7 hours of fuel at a nominal temperature (I'd guess 70°F or 21°C). So in cold conditions the rule may be a 1/10th rule or in very hot conditions a 1/5th rule. . .

WARNING!
Acetylene is dissolved in acetone in th porous filling of the tank. It is NOT stored as a compressed gas, because if that is done it can/will explode at any pressure above 15 psig. If you draw more than the 1/7 of the cylinder size per hour, acetone from the tank is drawn out and may damage the regulator, hoses and seals. The flame will sputter. If too much acetone is removed, the tank can explode when subjected to rough handling after use. Acetylene is a dangerous material and needs to be handled with respect.

From: http://www.anvilfire.com/FAQs/gasfacts.htm
 
Another option is to use propane to cut and acetylene to weld. Cutting takes the most fuel and a lot of the hazards with acetylene are reduced with propane. Another benefit of propane is that relatively small volumes last a long time cutting, however it does not weld very well. The down side is that you will have to have another cylinder laying around but if you own a barbecue you already have one. :)
 
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I had been thinking of that options as well, especially since I have extra tanks (bbq, turkey fryer, etc.). At the community college where I took my TIG classes, we used propane/oxygen for all of our cutting - 3/8" plate and no problems at all. School uses it because it is much cheaper than Acetylene. Besides, I have a MIG and TIG for any welding duties.

Is there still an issue with exceeding flowrate on a propane tank or is this just an acetylene issue?

Guy at my LWS told me today that if I did purchase say, the small Victor set with the portable tanks, if I stuck with just the torches and tips that come with the set I shouldn't have any issues whatsoever in exceeding the draw on the tank. Just an issue if a torch is swapped out with a larger one.
 
WOW!:eek:
I am very happy to read and learn from this thread. the whole 1/7th rule and the condensation thing i did not think would happen. i was thinking of buying a small oxy/acet setup, but now i will go w the big bottles( the ones up to your chest ).
and also seems very annoying to go back and forth from your LWS to refuel

THANKS
Jordan
 
Guy at my LWS told me today that if I did purchase say, the small Victor set with the portable tanks, if I stuck with just the torches and tips that come with the set I shouldn't have any issues whatsoever in exceeding the draw on the tank. Just an issue if a torch is swapped out with a larger one.
heres your chance to see if the guy knows what he says. get the victor cutting tip number, look it up and do the math yourself.
 
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