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A ground connection is usually a safety measure. However there are a few issues with your idea. #1 is most lighting circuits are 15 amp using 14 ga wire, so your input power is limited. 2nd the way a light socket transfers power is thru that really thin brass "spring" at the bottom of the socket and the socket sides. I've seen a bunch of those light socket adapters that have burned up light sockets as the connection between the "spring" and the adapter isn't all that great. Usually I've seen this happen it's with a lot lighter draws ( usually Christmas lights) than a welder. Basically what you have is almost identical to an old strip type fuse, and the thin strips on those are designed to burn thru, so you are asking for trouble here.

If I had no choice but to use a light fixture as a power source, I'd look at taking down the light and using a box lid designed to hold a standard outlet. You will still be limited by the 15 amp circuit as far as input power, but chances are you will have the ability to make the ground connection, as well as not burning up the light fixture.
 
I've had to re-type this post 3 times in order to not sound like a dick.

Bad idea. Find another option.
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I see no good coming from this.

Welders need a lot of power - in other words, need to be the only item on the circuit.

There is very little chance this bulb is on it's own circuit.
 
Lot of the light socket fixtures are 16 or 18 gauge wiring on the stubs.
 
Make sure your fire insurance is paid up.
 
Lot of the light socket fixtures are 16 or 18 gauge wiring on the stubs.
Yeah my sister found this out the hard way when she decided to plug a small space heater into the outlet on the side of the medicine cabinet and fried all the wiring in the light/cabinet and came close to burning down the house when it set the cabinet on fire.
 
The lack of ground isn't your biggest issue here. Light sockets usually have a max wattage rating of 600w. This means they are only designed to handle 5 amps flowing through them. If the breaker is rated for 15 amps the socket will be in flames way before the breaker even thinks about tripping. Just say no to light sockets.
 
He didn't say if he was in Mexico , but if so his light socket could be powered by two clothes pins&wire. running direct from a power line out front
If he is in Mexico he doesn't have many choices as the clothes dryers down there are 2 pole 5 wire configuration and I don't know of any welders that will run on that.
 
The lack of ground isn't your biggest issue here. Light sockets usually have a max wattage rating of 600w. This means they are only designed to handle 5 amps flowing through them. If the breaker is rated for 15 amps the socket will be in flames way before the breaker even thinks about tripping. Just say no to light sockets.
An excellent point.
 
I wonder what kind of duty cycle one could expect from a light socket? Assuming the branch is properly protected... wouldn't the breaker trip before the wire was damaged? In the smaller gauge wires the ampicity is higher than the breaker by a factor of 1.5. As for the fixture itself... no idea... some of them fail over time with a normal light bulb. :rolleyes:

As for using an ungrounded machine... not safe... but it will likely work.

If you remove the fixture (heaven forbid) is the fixture grounded? If I had to do this in a pinch, I'd remove the fixture and wire directly in. ;)

As for the ganchos (hooks) to steal power. It was a real problem when I lived in Argentina. You'd see the utility truck coming through knocking down the ganchos and everyone was scrambling to roll up their kit before they made it to your block. Nothing more than lamp cord with hooks on the end.

If you want a good read check this article. It states in the first four months of the year the utility removed 10,000 ganchos in Cordoba!
http://www.afinidadelectrica.com.ar/articulo.php?IdArticulo=86


In Argentina I lived in a house with two prong ungrounded 240V outlets (newer homes have 3 prong outlets with ground). In the summer I would be sitting at the computer and if I set my bare foot on the computer case it would shock the hell out of me. I finally bought a chunk of cable and ran it from the case to a ground rod outside. Knowing a lot more about grounding now then I did then... I likely was grounding the entire house through my computer and who knows how dangerous that was... oh well... I lived. :laugh: Grounding is a science all itself. Improperly grounded circuits can be more dangerous than ungrounded circuits depending on the potential. Every time a CNC vendor wants a not-bonded ground rod at the machine I cringe... but that's another topic. ;)
 
A #14 copper conductor can carry at least 15 amps without overheating. every piece of wire is cut. it has at least two ends, they must connect to something to form a circuit. Overheating takes place when these connections aren't up to snuff. A socket is designed for a light bulb, not a welder. All welders should be on a dedicated circuit installed for the purpose. A cable should be run from the distribution panel to a receptacle for the welder to plug into. It should include no other breaks in the wires. All connections should be made with care to ensure that they offer no more resistance than the wire. NO CIRCUIT BREAKER MEASURING CURRENT CAN PROTECT FROM THE HEATING IN A BAD CONNECTION! There are breakers for that purpose, they include computer technology that views the shape of the sine wave of AC current. A high resistance connection will arc intermittently, causing irregularities in the sine wave. These are called Arc Fault Circuit Interrupters. They have been required for certain installations in VT since 1997. Other states followed. Enforcement is spotty, but you should have some in your home.
 
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