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  1. #126
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    Re: We Need An SA-200 Info/FAQ Sticky

    But did you catch that I didn't get my explanation correct?

    Should have read:
    ". . . and don't have #4 at TDC of its compression stroke with #1 at TDC or overlap between its exhaust and intake strokes . . .".


    In other words, if the flywheel DC mark is at the pointer (as it would be as you've pointed out it would be with cylinders #1 and #4 at TDC) but #1 is on its compression stroke and the mag is set with rotor pointing at #4 cylinder wire tower per the manual, timing will be 180 degrees out resulting in a no start or even a cough for that matter.
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    Wouldn't worry about it Duane lol. It didn't include the quote to what I posted about was post #97 referred to as #34 as being wrong. He just didn't understand the firing order or had a mag cap that was marked different. Some FM mag caps had #1 on different tower for different applications as FM mags were made for many more applications besides just Continental in welders. There was also a inverted (upside down) FM mag on early Continentals as well with cap marked different too. You haven't been able to get those other caps for years now just the C800 but now and then a old or NOS one appears marked different throwing someone off. That was why I drew the chart Kolot had referred to in #34. Lincoln instruction manuals IM179G and IM277 tell how to time them off #4 compression with flywheel mark. The older shorthood manuals tell you to time it with #1 compression. No it makes no difference which you use but just don't confuse or change the engine timing order it's still the same that is what many get confused about.
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    Re: We Need An SA-200 Info/FAQ Sticky

    Quote Originally Posted by TozziWelding View Post
    Ignition parts for a distributor ignition, all NAPA numbers
    Points ECH CS88
    Cap ECH RR145
    Rotor ECH AL107
    Sorry kids, those are for a forklift, not a welder. I got them they are slightly different, good thing my NAPA likes me and will take them back. I will get the correct part numbers for a Prestolite dustributor this week.
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    Re: We Need An SA-200 Info/FAQ Sticky

    Revised NAPA numbers for an F163 with a Prestolite dustributor
    Cap AL133
    Rotor AL130
    Points CS725A
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    Re: We Need An SA-200 Info/FAQ Sticky

    Will that Prestolite distributor fit on a 162? Also Do you know the part number for the distributor itself?

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    Re: We Need An SA-200 Info/FAQ Sticky

    Probably not, the head is different and you need a drive gear on the cam. This is how a factory distributor on an f163 is mounted.
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    Re: We Need An SA-200 Info/FAQ Sticky

    As Tozzi thinks this through, he's gonna recall too...

    As far as I've seen, all common F-Continentals are "distributor ready" engines.
    A top-mounted distributor is driven via driveshaft; which driveshaft is turned by a tang on the oil-pump shaft; which tang engages a slot in the driveshaft; which the driveshaft's top of course engages the distributor.

    As far as I've seen, all pumps have the drive-tang and all blocks and heads are machined to accept a driveshaft and a distributor. The driveshaft is a simple shaft with a slot cut in each end and is installed by just lowering in from the top, without engine disassembly.

    On some engines there's a distributor-to-bolt clearance issue with one head bolt, but that's an easy workaround, if the engine doesn't already have the special "small headed" bolt in that location.

    Distributors? There were all sorts. Personally I like Delco, which shares components with many common GM applications that sold in millions and so still enjoy cheap and ready walk-in "it's on the shelf" parts support.

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    Re: We Need An SA-200 Info/FAQ Sticky

    Denrep your correct, oil pump drives the distributor. I was basically trying to tell him to keep the mag and learn to love it.
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    Re: We Need An SA-200 Info/FAQ Sticky

    And Tozzi, after posting I realized that I had mixed you up with your sister, DavidR, who's reworked a ton of Continentals in a previous forklift career.

    Happy New Year

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    This is a NAPA equivalent oil pressure switch, $7.50 as opposed to the $30 people get for one online.Name:  uploadfromtaptalk1392338844991.jpg
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    P-23-A Lincoln SA 200 Code Numbers Index pdf. link

    FOR SOME REASON BEYOND MY EXPERTISE THIS LINK WILL NOT WORK HERE YOU'LL NEED TO GO HERE & DOWNLOAD THE FILE FROM THERE:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/sa200welders/ good luck!


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    P-23-A Lincoln SA 200 Code Numbers Index pdf. link

    FOR SOME REASON BEYOND MY EXPERTISE THIS LINK WILL NOT WORK HERE YOU'LL NEED TO GO HERE & DOWNLOAD THE FILE FROM THERE:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/sa200welders/ good luck!


    https://attachment.fbsbx.com/file_do...uvKa5gCxsmgDB9
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    Re: We Need An SA-200 Info/FAQ Sticky

    Water pump rebuild kit
    Promatch part number 0971115 includes gaskets. Found at forklift dealer.
    Great thread on here about rebuild . Pull off pully using the threaded holes and a little heat.
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    F162 drop in canister oil filter Wix 51010 / NAPA 1010.

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    I was asked to post a picture of the fuel filter system I use on my SA-200s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEP View Post
    I was asked to post a picture of the fuel filter system I use on my SA-200s.
    That's the one - thanks again!

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    It has been mentioned to clean the rat nest(s) out of the generator before attempting to start if it has been sitting for a while.

    Here is a good example of what to look for:

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    Also worthy of an honorable mention is the 15 pounds of dirt dauber nests.

    The picture doesn't do it justice, but the pile is over half as tall as the can.

    There's probably another 5 pounds I haven't gotten to yet.

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    Not to mention the urine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pipeliner View Post
    It has been mentioned to clean the rat nest(s) out of the generator before attempting to start if it has been sitting for a while.

    Here is a good example of what to look for:

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    Also worthy of an honorable mention is the 15 pounds of dirt dauber nests.

    The picture doesn't do it justice, but the pile is over half as tall as the can.

    There's probably another 5 pounds I haven't gotten to yet.

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    1960 red face rebuild that now sits on my rig. I love this old girl. First year for the red face.

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    Weight of a stock Redface SA200 with doors, battery, all fluids and 5 gallons of gas=

    1300 pounds

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    Re: We Need An SA-200 Info/FAQ Sticky

    I have a Marvel - Schebler TSX-514 carburetor on my SA200. The previous owner stated he had recently rebuilt it, but didn't know if he had the float set correctly. As it turns out - no it wasn't. It poured gas out of the carburetor and would overflow the oil bath air cleaner when the motor wasn't running. I got a Standard Hygrade 1302 kit today and tore into it. As it turns out, nearly every passage and jet was packed or blocked with rust or debris. It ran out at high idle great, but would spit, pop and die unless you left the choke half on. Amazing with all the junk in it that it ran that good!

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    As for the float issue, there is a tab bent up on the float itself, where the pin / float lever goes through. The tab was bent past a 90° angle to the float arm and was hitting the top of the seat assembly not allowing the float to pivot. I bent it out at about a 45° and it works great; needle travels up and down as it should. Just thought I would mention this because I see a lot of guys asking about why gas pours out the carburetor. This tab could be hitting as it was in my case. Or the float could just not be set at the right height - 1/4" between the float and bowl cover.

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    Re: We Need An SA-200 Info/FAQ Sticky

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    FelPro 7183 PT gasket is prone to leaking, if you run your fingernail on fire ring between cyl 3 and 4 and feel it is not smooth then it is prone to leaking. Was reading on another forum and a guy who repairs welders said he was having failures with this gasket.

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    Re: We Need An SA-200 Info/FAQ Sticky

    I just got through typing all this info over on the Rig Welders forum (can't handle .pdf files larger than 19.5kb ) in answering a member's question over there and realized I'm not sure this has ever been posted here.

    SA200/250 testing performance specs from the SA-200 Service Manual:

    OCV and Other Specs.pdf


    Hope it helps clear things up.
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    Re: We Need An SA-200 Info/FAQ Sticky

    Can someone tell me what fan belt replacement I need for a blackface 70s to 80s model f-163?

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