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    HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    well I had the same problem as everyone else with the HF bead roller way too much deflection of the arms which I measured at 7/16 of an inch when flanging 18 gauge steel. so i beefed mine up using scraps i had lying around the garage. the question i have before i finish all the welds is do i want any deflection in the two arms? currently i have less then 1/16 of an inch in deflection when i tried flanging the 18 gauge steel after the mods. i can easily add some more webbing at the end where the crank is between the angle iron but before i make this too rigid is any deflection useful? thks bob





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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    heavy duty, i like what this guy did with his
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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    that is a great looking unit...i was surprised that my deflection that was most obvious was from side to side and not up and down.
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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    By the way You don't want any deflection Mac

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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    perfect, thanks Mac. I will beef up the end down by the crank and stiffen that up some more. thks bob
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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    What about adding a second short piece of square tube right beside the first one?

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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    Quote Originally Posted by wayne55 View Post
    What about adding a second short piece of square tube right beside the first one?
    i think that is exactly what i am going to do. i will space it toward the crank handle end so i can weld the bottom to the original 3/8 frame.
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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    done and i added a spline in between the two for some more rigidity. i flanged some 16 gauge and there was no noticable deflection so we are definitely under 1/16" for sure.

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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    good job, I need to start thinking about a bead roller myself..

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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    The side to side deflection is just as bad as the up and down. If you move the rollers side to side the istance between the contact points increases and you lose pressure just the same as if they separate in the vertical plane. No deflection is what you are shooting for.
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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    Ive used that same roller. I had to clamp a square tube brace across the throat because the side to side deflection was way too much when doing 18ga mandrel tubing. Easy enough to fix by getting some 3"x1/4" flatbar and bending it into a U and welding it on to the middle of the flat area.
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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    I have that same roller. I added 1/4x2" bar to the backside of the roller, standing on end and welded full length. It helped allot but I still had problems trying to use the roller to bead the tubes I was working on. Then one day I built my own roller to do what I need it to do.




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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    Looks good. I think I have the same bead roller, but I have not added the modification yet as I really have not used it. I need to get on it though. Nice pictures.

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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    well tested out the bead roller.with the mods i made ...and the sheet metal break i made with input from you guys...on my latest project a 1958 MGA coupe. it was our first bead rolls and if i had to do it again i would make my lines offset so that i lined them up with the outside of the die, it was too hard to get them lined up in the middle of the die. i think would also make a "stop" so that the every successive roll stopped at the same same place. and i would have them all end so that it didnt interfere with the angle iron hold down on the break.


    ....we cut out the rest of the floor to give a nice unified look



    made a template out of carboard





    cut it out and made template for bead roller






    rolled the beads in the floor



    bent the sides



    and heres the mock up fit

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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    seems right to add this here also

    a little diversion.....i have some sheet metal parts to make for the MGA coupe and since little joe went back to college i need another set of hands....or a motor

    heres the install materials: mometary foot switch, dayton gear motor which spins at 2.8 RPM, reversible drum switch, and a vintage crank for creating tension, jaw coupling from McMaster Carr



    the old business end a 25mm shaft on the crank



    an already beefed up HF bead roller which doesnt deflect



    the mock up using a hose clamp to keep everything together and lined up







    wiring




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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    "power in" is the power cord white and black




    mocking it up to weld



    cut out of 1/8" sheet steel




    the offset was just where ever it landed but it is parallel to the bead roller





    drum switch mounted


    test run to make sure everything works right




    it works perfectly tomorrow it gets disassembled and painted then the final wiring.
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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    Now we're going to need a video!

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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    Here is a bead roller I built instead of modifying one from HF





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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    Tom thats nice work !
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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    Great videos Tom! Very nice machine you built there, I like the quick release very much! Thanks for sharing!

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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    finished up the mock up and painted it.

    cuts 18 really easily



    16 ga was a little more labored nut it still did it but was nt an issue



    heres the motor information



    final wiring







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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    Looks very nice. I'm up with you except for the motor.

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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    Wayne i am excited about the motor.... it will make it a one man operation

    DONE!!!!! now to make some more MGA parts









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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    I was wondering if there is much difference between the harbor freight bead roller compared to the Woodward bead bender. The Woodward bead roller says that there body is 1/2 thick and someone here said they measured the harbor freight body at 3/8 thick. I wonder if the Woodward has as much of a deflection problem or is it really the same bead roller? Can anyone answer this question for me.

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    Re: HF bead roller modifications do I want any deflection?

    Quote Originally Posted by goldfinger View Post
    I was wondering if there is much difference between the harbor freight bead roller compared to the Woodward bead bender. The Woodward bead roller says that there body is 1/2 thick and someone here said they measured the harbor freight body at 3/8 thick. I wonder if the Woodward has as much of a deflection problem or is it really the same bead roller? Can anyone answer this question for me.
    I dont know the size of the woodward roller but 3/8" thick sounds right for the HF. as a standard to look at in my photos, my angle iron braces are 3/16 and the sheet steel for the motor was 1/8, i know this since i scraped the 3/16" label off this past weekend when i painted it and i measured the steel plate for the motor . my original HF bead roller had both deflection up and down as well as forward and backwards. if the wood ward is 1/2" then the up down defelction would be certainly reduced but the forward/backward I imagine would still be some what of an issue. when people beef these up they always do it in both directions. I cheated by making a triangle out of the angle iron. now remember this all catches up with you when you go to pick it up....
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