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  1. #1
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    Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    Looking for back-up power for house and occasional
    portable stick welding capability. Need electric start,
    don’t need CV. EFI would be nice but I can run engine
    periodically to keep carb unschmegged.Tractor supply
    has the Champion Elite for $3000+,which is much less
    than Bobcat 250 at LWS.
    Anyone have experience with the Hobart?
    Any opinions, good or bad?
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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    It is just a Bobcat 225 but without the CV for wire feed welding. Made by Miller and 95+% of the parts are the same as the Bobcat 225. I think all the included inner parts are the same. Just missing a couple CV-related parts. They don't include the little oil tube extension in the Hobart anymore. Saved a few bucks.
    I had 2 Hobart 210MVP's and ran the daylights out of them. Currently I don't have an engine drive or little MIG, so no Hobarts.

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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    I've been kicking this around for quite some time myself. I'm wondering how favorably it compares with the Lincoln Eagle 1OK. Also, will burning rods with it at max amps be sufficient load testing to ensure it will keep ready for supplying power, or will it be somewhat necessary to also run the outlets w/ grinders etc to pull current through them too?

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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    I personally would feel comfortable just running the engine
    from time to time in order to keep carb clean.


    I’ll have to look at Lincoln Eagle.
    I saw only Outback and Ranger.
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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    Eagle looks pretty similar to Champion.
    Looks like same engine.
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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    I'd go download the owner's manual for the machine to see what they have to say about running it with no load. Most, if not all, of the older RV and commercial generators were not intended or recommended to be run for any length of time with light loads or no load. Doing so would cause an excess of carbon build up in the head and on the valves/pistons. I'd have to look through my Onan manuals to see what their specific recommendations were, but I'd say loading it to 50%(generator portion) for a half hour or an hour every couple of months should be sufficient. A couple of electric space heaters is what most people use to load them. Then burn a few rods after moving the coarse, fine adjust, and polarity selectors through their full range. The contacts will probably oxidize and moving the selectors will help keep them clean. Use ethanol free gas and a stabilizer for best results.

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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    I was under the impression I could run it long enough to charge
    the battery, and move some fuel through the carb without having
    to put a load on the engine. It’s been suggested to me
    (by Machinisttx and others)that that’s not a good idea.
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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    The champion is a dumbed down 225 bobcat.
    They come with the 23hp Kohler engine. Same engine that Lincoln uses and same engine in the 250 bobcat and 325 trailblazer.
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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    If you can find ethanol free gas for things you use very infrequently you can let them sit for a very long time and the gas won't give you any problems. carbs won't get gummed up either. Theres a gas station about 20 miles from me that pumps it like normal gas. its around 60 cents higher than 97 octane with ethanol. I know a place in Bastrop Tx that does that too or at least they did when I was there.

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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    I’m running regular pump gas and Sta-bil in my
    new Champion. I plan on running it every week
    or so to keep the battery charged. I should be
    able to use at least a tank of fuel every few
    months by welding.
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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrapman Industries View Post
    If you can find ethanol free gas for things you use very infrequently you can let them sit for a very long time and the gas won't give you any problems. carbs won't get gummed up either. Theres a gas station about 20 miles from me that pumps it like normal gas. its around 60 cents higher than 97 octane with ethanol. I know a place in Bastrop Tx that does that too or at least they did when I was there.
    Just recently a local station added Eth free to 2 of their pumps. Before that I was using seafoam in the gas for storage. I let a Honda powered 2" pump sit for two years after running the carb out, Needed it 2 weeks ago and just grabbed it... Got to the field and then it hit me how long it had been sitting, Gas in the tank smelled ok so I open the gas valve and set the choke... It fired on the first pull! and ran fine. Now all my small engines are on Eth free with a small snort of Seafoam.

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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    Quote Originally Posted by 12V71 View Post
    Just recently a local station added Eth free to 2 of their pumps. Before that I was using seafoam in the gas for storage. I let a Honda powered 2" pump sit for two years after running the carb out, Needed it 2 weeks ago and just grabbed it... Got to the field and then it hit me how long it had been sitting, Gas in the tank smelled ok so I open the gas valve and set the choke... It fired on the first pull! and ran fine. Now all my small engines are on Eth free with a small snort of Seafoam.
    Its crazy how just taking the ethanol out of it makes everything work so much better. And the government wants to put another 5-10% in pump gas on top of the 10% already in it. And then people blame the manufacturers of their equipment when their engines blow.

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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    how is the champion you got? I use a miller wildcat and trailblazer occasionally at work. I've been looking into getting the Hobart elite as well. They look pretty similar to the cheaper miller versions. And I really like the fact that they have two different 240v plugs. one 50A like most retail store welders use and a regular plug sorta like what I'm using now. I could be running an air compressor and my plasma or mig welder off of it at the same time with no worries and won't have to rig up some extension cord to make them both work off one outlet. I also seem to prefer the wildcat over the trailblazer for some reason. the trailblazer doesn't seem to weld as nice in my opinion. And I really don't want all the extra stuff the trailblazer claims it can do. I already got a small mig welder that can run off the generator end and then plug into the wall. Getting a separate wire feeder that I can run only off the welder seems kinda pointless to me.

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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    You could also look at getting a generator and a pretty nice inverter stick welder in that price range and have a lot more options available. A lot of these new generators are dual fuel so you dont even have to put gas in them.
    Last edited by CrookedRoads; 06-21-2018 at 08:54 PM.
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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    I love it. I think my Champion welds really well,but it’s one of
    only two engine drives I have ever used. I’ve never run
    an SA-200, big Miller etc.
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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrapman Industries View Post
    If you can find ethanol free gas for things you use very infrequently you can let them sit for a very long time and the gas won't give you any problems. carbs won't get gummed up either. Theres a gas station about 20 miles from me that pumps it like normal gas. its around 60 cents higher than 97 octane with ethanol. I know a place in Bastrop Tx that does that too or at least they did when I was there.
    I make my own ethanol free gas.

    Just take pump gas in a semi-transparent/clear container, add water, shake, let sit to separate, siphon off the water/alcohol, done. Alcohol more readily "attaches" to water than gasoline and will therefore "let go" of the gas to absorb the water. The amount of water to add depends on the alcohol volume. As alcohol can absorb a tremendous amount of water before saturation I suggest at least the same percentage of water as alcohol. For example, 5 gallons (20qts) of 10% would contain 2qts of alcohol so I would add at least 2qts of water or to make it easier to handle, 1pt/gal. Removing the alcohol will lower the octane rating but wouldn't be an issue with small engines.
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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    Quote Originally Posted by CrookedRoads View Post
    You could also look at getting a generator and a pretty nice inverter stick welder in that price range and have a lot more options available. A lot of these new generators are dual fuel so you dont even have to put gas in them.
    right now I'm running everything off a 6.8kw generator. It kinda struggles with the stickmate once i start cranking it up. 1/8" rods it will run fine but anything bigger than that and I think It'd start bogging down. then lincoln 180 doesn't even get it up to half throttle though. The main reason I was looking into the engine drives is they have a 9.5kw generator with 11k "starting" power. If I eventually get a bigger plasma like the hypertherm powermax 65 or 45 I need something bigger than what I got now. I do alot of scrap cutting in really random places and now that I'm getting into plasma with the hypertherm 30xp i'm finding plasma is WAY better than oxyfuel which is what I normally carry with me for thicker stuff at the moment.

    I also kinda like the engine drives for some reason. although I probably won't even be ready to do any of this for another year or so.
    Last edited by Scrapman Industries; 06-22-2018 at 10:35 PM.

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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    Quote Originally Posted by jpump5 View Post
    I love it. I think my Champion welds really well,but it’s one of
    only two engine drives I have ever used. I’ve never run
    an SA-200, big Miller etc.
    Thank you. And good luck with it. wish I could just go out and buy one now. But some money must be saved up first.

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    Re: Tsc Hobart Champion Elite

    I used to use an electric heater for a load when I ran my trailblazer to warm it up

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