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    Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    Hi I would like to stick weld my axle on my atv to the ring gear it is slipping, any suggestions about rods etc

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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    Ni-cads... Nickle rods any time that you weld hard or two different kind of steel together.

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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    It will take the heat treat out of the gear.

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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    TIG brazing would be lees heat...

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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    Er312 is your friend. Lincoln used to sell it as their "All Purpose Maintainance Filler". You can also find it now labeled as "SuperMissileWeld".

    I use it on gears and bearings. The high ferrite content and fast freeze attributes help prevent cracking. Tensile is above 100ksi which is a better match to the gears. You can find it as Tig filler or stick electrodes.
    Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR"
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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    Thank you I thought it would be different welding the too parts together I will read up on the nickel rods
    This is where I want to weld the housing slides over it so if it doesn't work or it breaks I can take it apart
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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    Thank you I will try to find out about er312 rods

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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    Good advise to follow. Should weld up nice and away from the teeth. have at'er
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    Quote Originally Posted by VPT View Post
    Good advise to follow. Should weld up nice and away from the teeth. have at'er
    Which rod would you use

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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    How could I figure out what metal the parts are

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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    A lot of axle material and even the gears have a teeny bit of vanadium. Increases toughness and corrosion resistance. Do a search with 'axles crankshafts vanadium' .. Don't know that an atv would warrant a more expensive alloy but still it is pretty much standard practice.
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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    Id be worried about the axle wanting to break at the weld if that's a one piece axle like on a sport model.
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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    I think I would do a couple of good tacksmaybe 1/4 to 1/2' long 180* apart.
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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzboxer View Post
    Which rod would you use
    The mentioned er312 or, since I have them on hand, I would use er308l, either will get the job done. Just don't cook the axle to much.
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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    Quote Originally Posted by CAVEMANN View Post
    I think I would do a couple of good tacksmaybe 1/4 to 1/2' long 180* apart.
    +1

    Probably don't need much.

    Also, if I didn't have any super duper NASA missileweld, I'd probably use 7018, cross my fingers, and call it macaroni. I've gotten away with a lot of things I probably shouldn't have with 7018.
    Last edited by Kelvin; 11-11-2018 at 08:53 PM.

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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    can't delete post, been drinking....
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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    Would you do a couple of tacks or weld all the way around? Does it need to be heated first ?
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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    I would do a couple of tacks, this will minimize heat input which will help with warping
    , the gear at least will have some heat treatment and the axle as well, if you don't know what you are doing then preheating may affect the heat treat. a couple of tacks with the 312, quick & easy, don't overthink it, make sure you get it cleaned of the gear oil, whatever you do, DON'T USE A CHLORINATED SOLVENT OF ANY KIND, you can use non chlorinated brake cleaner, spray carburetor/fuel injector/throttle body cleaner etc. I think the key is to minimize heat input, thus the 2 tacks, the first tack is going to try to pull the axle, and the second will pull it back, hopefully the gear is not sloppy loose on the shaft, if it is then maybe 4 tacks working to make sure the gear is straight and the backlash is right. Honestly I think 2-4 1/4" tacks will be just fine. Lotsa folks tend to overweld things like this.
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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    I have tried to find the er312 stick welding rods but I can't seem to find them even online any idea where to get them?

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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzboxer View Post
    I have tried to find the er312 stick welding rods but I can't seem to find them even online any idea where to get them?
    Try searching for 312L-16.

    https://store.cyberweld.com/hobart-3...80630-rdp.html

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-S...-/323155709819

    Certanium 707SP is also 312L-16 as far as I know but very expencive.

    https://www.lawsonproducts.com/Certa...rode/P12610.lp

    And the Super Missileweld Shovelon mentioned.

    http://www.harrisproductsgroup.com/e...ssileweld.aspx

    https://www.netwelder.com/harris-sup...18-electrodes/

    http://www.airgas.com/product/Weldin...y/p/HARULSMW60


    In Europe Lincoln has the Limarosta 312 but I can't find that one on the Lincoln USA site.
    I have 312L-16 rods from Lastek, but those are probably not available in the USA.

    If You really can't get some 312 rods, 309 will do it.
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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    hey, it seems like not a big, but a strong weld is needed for the first time only. then you can notice the performance and optimize how good it is performing. if you still hear those noises or whistles, do not ignore that alarm if you don't want to cause it to your life. Take is to an axle repair service to be maintained easily and properly.

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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    Never seen an atv axle. Do they just stick out like a stub, or are they supported at the outboard end by a bearing?

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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

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    Like this?????????????

    How in the smurf does the axle fit the ring gear......press fit?

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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    No differential????????????? I'm all confuseled

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    Re: Welding a atv rear axle to its ring gear

    Quote Originally Posted by farmersammm View Post
    No differential????????????? I'm all confuseled
    Most all the {atv's} have solid axles on the rear, this is why they sell so many tires for them

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