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  1. #26
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    Re: Millwright apprenticeship

    Quote Originally Posted by jarrs05 View Post
    Well u dropped off my diploma today. I contacted the head of the millwright in the area but wasn't able to talk to him yet. I'm kind of leaning away from it now from what you guys have told me. I won't mind being on the road some but I don't want it to be a week in and week out thing. There are 3 millwright companies with 15 miles of me I guess it just depends on how much travel is required.

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    I would bring your industrial degree with you to any interviews and try to bargain to get some credit time off your apprenticeship with it. They might give you a year or 2 of credit for it and you would start at a higher rate. 10% of scale for each year . They might give you some credits on your schooling also. It all depends on how much they need men at the time. At the very least the sheepskin and your work history should get you to the head of the line.

  2. #27
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    Re: Millwright apprenticeship

    I've contacted two local companies both said they are accepting applications. One said most of the work is local but sometimes travel is required if a local company wants you at a different location. The other said there is no travel it's all local and their guys are home every night. So so I'm going to put an application into the second one for sure. My only question now is about the union itself some have said it's the weakest in the trades. If I make the switch and stick it out how likely do you think I'll see the pension? I would still keep contributing to an IRA but how secure is the pension compared to a 401k? Thanks guys

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    Re: Millwright apprenticeship

    I started my apprenticeship at 17-years old. Journeyman at 21-years old. Being a project superintendent for years. I’ve had every trade work for me. Yes the Carpenter’s union is the weakest in the trades!
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    Re: Millwright apprenticeship

    You stated that it's a weak union. I suggest finding a union that is part of the ''UNITED ASSOCIATION'' . These are strong unions which I have 48 years with. These are the real deal throughout the States. I'm collection my pension as many others here on WW which is more than many make working. Choose wisely !!! Good Luck . Here's links

    http://ua.org/ http://ua.org/locals

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    Re: Millwright apprenticeship

    When we built the replacement LVM floating bridge in Lake Washington. The Carpenter’s union came up with the bright idea if we weren’t driving pile, we would get carpenter scale. I was the rigging foreman. These anchors weigh 300-tons. We stacked them 5 high, for a total of 1,500-tons. We got the same pay as a guy driving nails on the beach!
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    Re: Millwright apprenticeship

    had a job at $28./hr with no overtime and had another job at $24./hr but lots of overtime at 150% pay
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    job with over time make $20,000 to $30,000 more per year which i max out 401K.
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    after you have $500,000 in 401K making $30,000/yr from 401K then you dont worry about job loss. you got enough to get by on til you find another job.
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    for many they find a job with lots of overtime as its better than job where no overtime or worse yet you work maybe 6 to 9 months a year looking for work.
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    met a electrician bragging about being a senior electrician with the union. he could picks his jobs and refuse jobs he didnt like and union would cover for him so he could collect unemployment 6 months a year. he was bragging working 6 months union and collecting 6 months unemployment a year and he still was making more money....... me i was surprised anybody would be proud of gaming the system and bragging about working the least amount per year and bragging about collecting unemployment.

  7. #32
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    Re: Millwright apprenticeship

    Quote Originally Posted by jarrs05 View Post
    I've contacted two local companies both said they are accepting applications. One said most of the work is local but sometimes travel is required if a local company wants you at a different location. The other said there is no travel it's all local and their guys are home every night. So so I'm going to put an application into the second one for sure. My only question now is about the union itself some have said it's the weakest in the trades. If I make the switch and stick it out how likely do you think I'll see the pension? I would still keep contributing to an IRA but how secure is the pension compared to a 401k? Thanks guys

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    First, what is their definition of local. If they mean you will work in the local, that is the whole state of wisconsin. I for sure after being through it would look to be sponsored by a small local MW outfit and would stay away from the larger state wide and or reginal companies if you want to work locally only. There is no guarantee that the local outfit will keep you busy but the big ones will defenatly not. MW work is a very competitive field and they work on fairly thin margins here in the midwest. If a large outfit wants to break into a new area where there are local outfits they just start doing work there at prices that they either barely make money or even lose money.
    They have enough work in other areas that they can absorb the losses for quite some time. In the mean time they are beating up the local outfits to the point that many go out of business over the course of a couple years. Then they start raising quotes and taking all the work in the area. Especially if they are the only large company interested in the work in that area. The only time this stratagy does not work is an area that has attracted several large contractors. They still do it but it is much harder because they all have deeper pockets but in the mean time the small outfits still take it on the chin and go out. Then each big outfit carves out a nitch in that area that they dominate. I have seen it happen over and over again.

    On another note , Wisconsins pension is one of the more secure pensions of any of the trades and regions. To the point that they changed it name a while back to " The North Central States Regional Council of Carpenters Pension Fund " They are quite conservative compared to the benefits other locals have offered in the past. Those benafits are what got them in trouble. Several areas had 30 years and out but Wisconsin never did. The locals that had that are now in big trouble financialy as far as their pensions and have pulled back on all kinds of bennies . The wisconsin pension system has been gaining new locals and regions as many of these older pension have been closed and new ones opened. Including many in the socialist state of MN. that they gave away the farm and could not afford it anymore.

    This is not to say that the Wisconsin pension system is not tightening its belt too. They are but they are not in deep trouble like many in the area. I would say the pension is as secure as any can be. There is no guarantees in life as many that have had their life savings seperated from them will atest to.
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    Re: Millwright apprenticeship

    The second company I contacted flat out said their guys were home every night.

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    Re: Millwright apprenticeship

    Quote Originally Posted by jarrs05 View Post
    The second company I contacted flat out said their guys were home every night.

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    Once you become a journeyman, you can get a travel card to work in different locals or states. Many other unions in different states are reciprocal. This means all your benefits, insurance , pension, etc. are active in your home local.
    You could be working 15 minutes from home on Monday and Friday you'll be driving a 100 miles. Each shop is different with their type of work and areas they work in.
    When those little shopping malls came out my shop was hitting them hard. We were traveling all over doing those. Then it was those big high warehouses working from a scissor lift all day. There are many variables in the trades. Depending on your motivation you can can still be union and work in their office to. It depends what you like and want to do.

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    Re: Millwright apprenticeship

    There are thing that can be done to improve your situation if you do become an apprentice that I will not discuss here.

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