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  1. #26
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    Re: Question on bottles renting vs owner owned

    $8.00 a month to rent it?


    cheaper than my beer budget and I rent that too
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  2. #27
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    Re: Question on bottles renting vs owner owned

    FWIW, I just bought one yesterday a 125cf AR/Co2. Choice was $230 to buy or $80 a year to lease, seemed like a no brainer. First fill was 1/2 price either way ($35) Even with the recert fee every ? years it still didn't make any sense to lease. The place I bought it from (MN O2) gave me a form that showed my ownership of the bottle and said that if I were to sell it that I'd have to sign over the form, that they would not refill it for anyone else - guess they check the serial numbers.

    Not sure how this winds up working if I fill somewhere else. I used to own a bigger bottle that I would just exchange at Toll and then pay the recert fee every ? years regardless of the fact that they were not refilling, just swapping.
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    Re: Question on bottles renting vs owner owned

    Quote Originally Posted by farmersammm View Post
    And, there's the personal small town touch. I had full bottles on a Saturday, but knew I'd run out of O2 on all 4 bottles before Monday. Guy gives me a coupla loaner bottles till Monday. Just pay for the fill when I bring them back. You can't beat that. It's why I buy ALL my equipment, and consumables (sometimes I cheat on plasma consumables ), local. Besides...…... I'm a solid gold plated azzhole, and they'll do anything to get me out the door
    You clearly have a great BUSINESS OWNER there who is taking care od his customers. I also am blessed to have an awesome welding supplier. Same thing with gas, trying a new blend, have a project and going to need extra, just take tge bottle and pay for the gas. I buy almost everything from them, except for my 350P that I bought slightly used from a guy getting divorced, now I'm THAT guy selling it again. CLICHE!
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    Re: Question on bottles renting vs owner owned

    I hear this thing constantly about owner bottles. I am sure glad that I have a great LWS. I can buy anything up to a 330 bottle, and the receipt always says "Customer owned bottle". When I swap out, the receipt says "Customer owned bottle". All have the LWS stamped neck ring.

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    Re: Question on bottles renting vs owner owned

    From original post...
    "Anything here I'm missing? Anyone buy these ebay bottles? I don't want to show up with a complete piece of junk trying to use it as a core to trade in. It looks like customer owned bottles are hoarded and valued around here, so buying one online and then taking it for exchange would be about my only way to go. That's what I did with a small CO2 bottle for my kegerator."
    I bought a bottle off an eBay auction and got an in date USA made bottle with a smooth ring from "thegasguys" an eBay seller. I went to exchange it for a full bottle of Argon at the local supplier (not airgas) at first they didn't want to take a bottle which wasn't theirs but then they did. I ended up with their name on the neck ring of my now full bottle. No mention of rental or fees but I guess I am now their customer only as not likely another vender will take this bottle. I look at it as having bought into the system and in my case I paid about $110 shipped for an empty 80 cf bottle.

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    Re: Question on bottles renting vs owner owned

    Anything over 125 cu ft you're asking for a hassle. Places like some close to me will fill anything you bring. If it needs a test thats another $40. Places like airgas only deal with their stuff. Larger than 125 however are a hassle because above that they won't sell them to you so they assume they are filling someon else's rental and won't usually do it.
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    Re: Question on bottles renting vs owner owned

    Quote Originally Posted by one1 View Post
    anything over 125 cu ft you're asking for a hassle. Places like some close to me will fill anything you bring. If it needs a test thats another $40. Places like airgas only deal with their stuff. Larger than 125 however are a hassle because above that they won't sell them to you so they assume they are filling someon else's rental and won't usually do it.
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    Re: Question on bottles renting vs owner owned

    Going to stop by Kool Gas tomorrow to inquire about buying a 125 from them (company that services my local NAPA). I have a dentist appointment in the town where they're located about 40 miles north of home.

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    Re: Question on bottles renting vs owner owned

    I had a 135cuft from Airgas for years. Then they phased out that size and dropped to 125's. Few more years passed these were phased out also. Now Customer owned is a 110cuft. Few more years and they will probably phase them out too.
    Its just they don't want to service the Farmer/Semi-Retired guys anymore.

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    Re: Question on bottles renting vs owner owned

    Quote Originally Posted by drujinin View Post
    I had a 135cuft from Airgas for years. Then they phased out that size and dropped to 125's. Few more years passed these were phased out also. Now Customer owned is a 110cuft. Few more years and they will probably phase them out too.
    Its just they don't want to service the Farmer/Semi-Retired guys anymore.
    Airgas does 125s, I got a quote to buy one last week.

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    Re: Question on bottles renting vs owner owned

    Airgas sells 150 cf.
    No?, ask to see their company policy prohibiting it.

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    Re: Question on bottles renting vs owner owned

    Quote Originally Posted by vwguy3 View Post
    Airgas sells 150 cf.
    No?, ask to see their company policy prohibiting it.
    Yeh, I bought a 150 from airgas too. Get fills in the 170 to 175 cf range.
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    Re: Question on bottles renting vs owner owned

    I bought a 150cf bottle from pretty much the only company here. (General Distributing in Montana) I took it in to exchange it the other day and asked if I could put it on my Dad's account, he has a long term lease type agreement with them on several bottles and has spent 10s of thousands with them over the years, so I thought maybe I could get a better price that way than paying cash. They guy sat down at the computer and said "Nope, the bottle you brought in comes up as a cash purchased bottle, so you'll have to pay cash for the exchange." So I guess they are putting a serial number in the computer of bottles that go out so they know whether they are owned or leased? (I've saved all my receipts when I bought bottles from them in case I ever have to prove that I own them, but didn't realize they kept track of each bottle.)
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    Re: Question on bottles renting vs owner owned

    I fill my bottles from where they were purchased.

    Purchased them used.

    Have heard, some gas places, do not like to fill bottles
    if they were not purchased from them.

    my 2 cents

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    Re: Question on bottles renting vs owner owned

    Stopped by Kool Gas yesterday to inquire about buying a bottle. He said the biggest they will sell me is an 80. If I bring in a 125 with proof that I own it they will do so on an exchange basis. They charge a $10/year "maint fee" for customer owned bottles, which I understand. They're having to maintain bottles and keep them in hydro and then the customer turns in a bottle out of hydro and gets one that's in hydro, so I understand that.

    I decided to call Airgas here which is about 60 miles South of me after seeing oldjeep's post, and they acted like selling a bottle was no big deal. Said it would be a hair over $250 for a full 125, or $240ish for an 80.

    Both of these guys said that the 80 is the problem free way to go if I want to own a tank. If I'm not going to be using this thing a whole lot am I better off doing that? for less than $15 difference the 125 seems to make more sense, but I don't want to get a bottle and then have them try to nail me with rental charges on top of it. I guess if I buy directly from them and keep my receipt I could fight them if that ever came to pass.

    I'm probably WAY overthinking this. I'm just wary of any kind of "agreement" that locks me into paying something over the long term.

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    Re: Question on bottles renting vs owner owned

    Quote Originally Posted by jeepwm69 View Post
    Stopped by Kool Gas yesterday to inquire about buying a bottle. He said the biggest they will sell me is an 80. If I bring in a 125 with proof that I own it they will do so on an exchange basis. They charge a $10/year "maint fee" for customer owned bottles, which I understand. They're having to maintain bottles and keep them in hydro and then the customer turns in a bottle out of hydro and gets one that's in hydro, so I understand that.

    I decided to call Airgas here which is about 60 miles South of me after seeing oldjeep's post, and they acted like selling a bottle was no big deal. Said it would be a hair over $250 for a full 125, or $240ish for an 80.

    Both of these guys said that the 80 is the problem free way to go if I want to own a tank. If I'm not going to be using this thing a whole lot am I better off doing that? for less than $15 difference the 125 seems to make more sense, but I don't want to get a bottle and then have them try to nail me with rental charges on top of it. I guess if I buy directly from them and keep my receipt I could fight them if that ever came to pass.

    I'm probably WAY overthinking this. I'm just wary of any kind of "agreement" that locks me into paying something over the long term.
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    Re: Question on bottles renting vs owner owned

    Quote Originally Posted by jeepwm69 View Post
    Stopped by Kool Gas yesterday to inquire about buying a bottle. He said the biggest they will sell me is an 80. If I bring in a 125 with proof that I own it they will do so on an exchange basis. They charge a $10/year "maint fee" for customer owned bottles, which I understand. They're having to maintain bottles and keep them in hydro and then the customer turns in a bottle out of hydro and gets one that's in hydro, so I understand that.

    I decided to call Airgas here which is about 60 miles South of me after seeing oldjeep's post, and they acted like selling a bottle was no big deal. Said it would be a hair over $250 for a full 125, or $240ish for an 80.

    Both of these guys said that the 80 is the problem free way to go if I want to own a tank. If I'm not going to be using this thing a whole lot am I better off doing that? for less than $15 difference the 125 seems to make more sense, but I don't want to get a bottle and then have them try to nail me with rental charges on top of it. I guess if I buy directly from them and keep my receipt I could fight them if that ever came to pass.

    I'm probably WAY overthinking this. I'm just wary of any kind of "agreement" that locks me into paying something over the long term.
    This is why you guys need to get on an account with your suppliers. My account with my supplier states "All customer owned cylinders" they don't care what I exchange as long as it's not a current competitor marked cylinder. And they have done that when one of the idiots on a jobsite grabbed another company's cylinder by mistake. And stop expecting them to fill "YOUR" cylinder, exchange is the norm for commercial accounts and we don't worry about custom paint jobs etc.

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