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    Granddaughters wagon...part 1 or 2

    I am starting a couple wagons for my 2 granddaughters (since I made one for my grandson...can't do for one with doing for them all). I won't embarrass myself by showing you all the welds, but maybe someone will enjoy the design/build process.

    This is the one I did for the grandson...
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    Re: Granddaughters wagon...part 1 or 2

    One question...I noticed that a couple of times when I was running a longer bead, the rod would get real hot, like glowing red hot. Seemed to weld fine, wasn't blowing thru and getting what appeared to be good penetration. Any thoughts? 6011 rod.

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    Re: Granddaughters wagon...part 1 or 2

    The rods you are using are too small for the current you are welding at.

    https://weldingpicks.com/welding-rod-sizes/

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    Re: Granddaughters wagon...part 1 or 2

    Quote Originally Posted by rexcormack View Post
    The rods you are using are too small for the current you are welding at.

    https://weldingpicks.com/welding-rod-sizes/
    I'm going to show my ignorance...too small as in diameter or type (as in the 6011)?

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    Re: Granddaughters wagon...part 1 or 2

    Diameter. I can see the stinger with a rod in it in one of your pictures. Looks small. 3/32?
    What size rod are you using and what amps are you welding at.

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    Re: Granddaughters wagon...part 1 or 2

    Yes, I believe they are 3/32. I also have 1/8" that I use on the heavier stuff, but have been leaving the 3/32" for just about everything lately. I don't pay much attention to the amps but I think it is in the 85 range when I'm on the thinner material and I bump it up to 150-160? when I get on the heavy stuff (1/4" or better). I mainly look to make sure it's burning in without blowing thru. As you can tell, I'm not a welder.

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    Re: Granddaughters wagon...part 1 or 2

    If you look at the charts ~85 amps is the absolute maximum for 3/32 and that will make the flux smoke!
    I personally wouldn't run them over 60 amps for any length of time.

    The size of the rod has very little to do with penetration or blowing through.
    That's mostly due to amps and user error!

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    Re: Granddaughters wagon...part 1 or 2

    Quote Originally Posted by rexcormack View Post
    If you look at the charts ~85 amps is the absolute maximum for 3/32 and that will make the flux smoke!
    I personally wouldn't run them over 60 amps for any length of time.

    The size of the rod has very little to do with penetration or blowing through.
    That's mostly due to amps and user error!
    I actually did know that. The reason I have been using the thinner rods is that with the heavier rods, I seem to put too much metal down. Seems like if I go fast enough that I am not heaping a lot of rod on the area, I'm not getting good penetration. Kinda hard to explain over the keyboard, and probably harder to understand what I'm saying.

    I'll try working with some lower amps next time.

    Thanks!

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    Re: Granddaughters wagon...part 1 or 2

    I understand exactly what you mean!

    I'm going to guess the rods you are using are 6013.?

    6011 has better penetration at lower amps but has more splatter and the welds are not as pretty but
    you've already said your welds aren't pretty so give them a try!

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    Re: Granddaughters wagon...part 1 or 2

    I'd have to check to be sure, but I believe the ones I'm using now are the 6011...and splatter and "not pretty" define my welds.

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    Re: Granddaughters wagon...part 1 or 2

    Your "wagon" is amazing, very lucky grandson I'd say! Your welds could use some work but I'd sure like you to make my granddaughter a wagon. I live on the other coast though...More photos!!
    Do not believe everything that you think.

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    Re: Granddaughters wagon...part 1 or 2

    6011 AC is a pretty stiff penetrator.

    6013 on AC is fairly mild, but will still burn through if you leave it sit for a while.

    You can whip the 6011 rod, and weld some really thin stuff. You can't do that with 6013. 6013 is a drag rod, and the heat builds pretty fast.

    If it's holding together, you're doing ok. It's not the Eiffel Tower.

    If you're gonna continue working with thin wall tubing, 11ga or thinner, it behooves you to look into some of the low amp capable wire feeders.

    Amps on stick are selective to say the best. Some guys can crank it up, increase speed, and do thin stuff...…...while other guys need to turn it down because they weld slow. That is the beauty of stick. Amps, to some degree, are subjective.

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    Re: Granddaughters wagon...part 1 or 2

    Looks good...

    myself, I'd probably have used 7018 (right or wrong)

    7018 seems to come out a lot prettier.... for me.

    that first cart is Bitchin.
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    Re: Granddaughters wagon...part 1 or 2

    Thanks guys. Maybe I'll see if I can get some good pictures of the welds and you guys can give me some better tips.

    Problem is, I will do something like this maybe a coupel times a year, then not touch the welder for months at a time, so it takes me a while to get the feel of it.

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    Re: Granddaughters wagon...part 1 or 2

    Ahh no weld time over long stints makes ya rusty, remember if you are not doing a project you can get bits of material and just fill them up with weld beads "coupons" and/or make all kinds of joints out of scrap and just weld for practice anytime, now even lol
    looking for an old cheap Engine drive

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