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    Why Miniarc 161 over Powerarc 200?

    Hi y’all,
    Why would a weldor want the Esab Miniarc 161lts over the Everlast 200sti?
    Other than being 10lbs lighter, it looks like you’re losing 40 amps for $100 more. Is one better at Tig? They both seem relatively mediocre at that anyway (lift start DC tig with no pedal option)...

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    Re: Why Miniarc 161 over Powerarc 200?

    Quote Originally Posted by Entropy Dude View Post
    Hi y’all,
    Why would a weldor want the Esab Miniarc 161lts over the Everlast 200sti?
    Other than being 10lbs lighter, it looks like you’re losing 40 amps for $100 more. Is one better at Tig? They both seem relatively mediocre at that anyway (lift start DC tig with no pedal option)...
    The esab is a stick welder first and excels as a portable unit. If you are looking at either as a main Tig unit first-you will be disappointed.

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    Re: Why Miniarc 161 over Powerarc 200?

    Quote Originally Posted by kize View Post
    The esab is a stick welder first and excels as a portable unit. If you are looking at either as a main Tig unit first-you will be disappointed.
    Yeah, I think that’s true of both of them (I should have said Everlast Power arc 200sti).
    I suppose I should have clarified that stick would be the priority, and tig rarely.

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    Re: Why Miniarc 161 over Powerarc 200?

    I have dealt with customer service from ESAB and have read many horror stories about customer service at Everlast, Longevity, Lotos, AHP, etc. There is no way I would pick a chinese mail order unit over an ESAB, even with the cost difference. Esab's service is fantastic.
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    Re: Why Miniarc 161 over Powerarc 200?

    I personally own and use the 161. It is a sweet little unit. Esab service will shame the other brand.

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    Re: Why Miniarc 161 over Powerarc 200?

    Another happy 161 owner here. The literature for the 161 says it was supposed to come with a sample pack of electodes, mine didn't. I called Esab to let them know id didn't get any electrodes. They sent me a can of 3/32 7018 AtomArc.
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    Re: Why Miniarc 161 over Powerarc 200?

    I have 2 ESAB 161 at the school.

    I often use one for stick/tig demonstrations. Very good machines.

    I second Louie. I'm not going to deal with Everlast...for several reasons (not because they are Chinese made)

    I have the nearly identical Thermal Arc 161 at the home shop.
    I use it for portable work and often use it in the shop just because it's already hooked up and handy.
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    Re: Why Miniarc 161 over Powerarc 200?

    Tried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
    Seems I have heard a variation on this somewhere else??!! LOL
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    Re: Why Miniarc 161 over Powerarc 200?

    Esab, 3 year no BS warranty. Neverlast, a whole new way to play screw the customer games. IMO, a snake has more ethics than Everlast.
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    Re: Why Miniarc 161 over Powerarc 200?

    Quote Originally Posted by m j d View Post
    esab, 3 year no bs warranty. Neverlast, a whole new way to play screw the customer games. Imo, a snake has more ethics than everlast.
    ^^^^^^this^^^^^^
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    Re: Why Miniarc 161 over Powerarc 200?

    Quote Originally Posted by M J D View Post
    Esab, 3 year no BS warranty. Neverlast, a whole new way to play screw the customer games. IMO, a snake has more ethics than Everlast.
    X2 on the great ESAB 3 yr warranty. I have a 161, it's my second one. Love it. The first one started making popping noises on startup just one month before the 3 year warranty was due to expire. One phone call to the LWS where I bought it inquiring how to go about the warranty procedure. Next day they called back and said ESAB was shipping me a new 161. Can't beat that for customer service and warranty.

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    Re: Why Miniarc 161 over Powerarc 200?

    I have had mine for 5-6 years now, paid $410 for it. I figured if it made the 3 yrs then crapped out it would be worth it.
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    Re: Why Miniarc 161 over Powerarc 200?

    I was going to buy the Everlast PowerArc 210STL, but it looks like I'll be heading over to ESAB. I bought a 2019 Amico MMA-200 and they lied on the specs, it went back. The spec sticker on the back was (more accurate) different than the manual and the product description. The accidental "spec lies" always favor the product, have you noticed?

    To get those Everlast DC TIG options and Arc, Hot start Adjustments would I have to go with a full blown ESAB Rebel EMP 215ic?

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    Re: Why Miniarc 161 over Powerarc 200?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbmalone View Post
    I was going to buy the Everlast PowerArc 210STL, but it looks like I'll be heading over to ESAB. I bought a 2019 Amico MMA-200 and they lied on the specs, it went back. The spec sticker on the back was (more accurate) different than the manual and the product description. The accidental "spec lies" always favor the product, have you noticed?

    To get those Everlast DC TIG options and Arc, Hot start Adjustments would I have to go with a full blown ESAB Rebel EMP 215ic?
    Who doesn't lie on their specs. Miller 211 is only like 150 Amps output.
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    Re: Why Miniarc 161 over Powerarc 200?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rondo View Post
    Who doesn't lie on their specs. Miller 211 is only like 150 Amps output.
    I believe that depends on what size wire you're running through it. If I'm not mistaken, the amperage on that machine maxes out when using .045 flux-core wire.
    But yeah, you never get it all.

    Thanks everyone. Good feedback.

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    Re: Why Miniarc 161 over Powerarc 200?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rondo View Post
    Who doesn't lie on their specs. Miller 211 is only like 150 Amps output.
    Your statement doesn't make sense??

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    Last edited by MinnesotaDave; 03-18-2019 at 08:58 PM.
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