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    Forged vise yield strength

    Fireball tool came out some nice looking forged vises, at a very reasonable price (especially for them). They look like capri tools vises, which looked liked Yost FSV vises. I have an FSV-5 and I LOVE it. It has taken some serious abuse, still looks as good as it works, and has great features. Jason Marburger is not only really down to earth with his finger on the pulse of real fabricators, but seems to be having genuine fun doing it. Hard to reinvent the square so to say but damned if he didn't pretty much perfect it for weldors. His cast iron table top plates are another innovative, smart idea. Now if only I could afford all their nice stuff...
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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    To be honest, I don't see how they can claim that welded vise is a forged vise.
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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    I expect what they mean is that it is a weldment made from forged parts.
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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    Guys a chump. That one has been around a long time. A little alteration. Like the Chinamen

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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    Good point Dave, I guess they're playing the semantics game a bit. I'd like to see how the clamp till yield numbers in the video line up with good (old and new) cast vises of the same size/relative weight. Supposedly the forged steel bits are 90ksi, makes sense breaking at the weld (probably ~70ksi wire). Bonzoo I don't recall seeing that vise, looks like it's truly forged with no welds, again I wonder how it compares to the yost version and variants, and then against cast. Would be cool (and heartbreaking, imagine the flack in the comments) to have a youtube channel dedicated to the destructive testing of vises of all flavors - old (time to trigger some folks) and new, usa england china etc, forged or cast, bullet style post style exposed lead screw style etc, Whoever made a channel dedicated to this would have serious viewership and quite a few enemies (everyone loves a great vise and vice)

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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    When you say forged is that like a signature on a check?

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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    Like for-ged as in forgeddaboutit!

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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    what do you call a vise that also rotates ?
    not left to right on the bench, rotates clockwise / counterclockwise
    I need one of those.
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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    Quote Originally Posted by arcflash View Post
    When you say forged is that like a signature on a check?
    that's too funny
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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    Not too bad a price actually. I generally buy the cheapest 5 inch I can find. Those run $90 or so. I'm on my third one in 30 years. I'm ruff on 'em and I know it so I don't put a bunch of money into a show piece I can't use. I'd buy one if I saw it on a shelf.
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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    Quote Originally Posted by bevis28 View Post
    what do you call a vise that also rotates ?
    not left to right on the bench, rotates clockwise / counterclockwise
    I need one of those.
    I think they are called just that, "a rotating vice".
    The ones that turn 360 flat on the bench are a "swivel vice".
    Can't recall if I ever saw one that did both but I wouldn't be surprised if they existed.
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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    I use a vice that rotates as well as turns. Super nice

    Similar to this one: https://www.northerntool.com/shop/to...416079b0fc7f55
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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaDave View Post
    I use a vice that rotates as well as turns. Super nice

    Similar to this one: https://www.northerntool.com/shop/to...416079b0fc7f55
    That is a nice vice! I like the pipe jaws that you can rotate to the top. What is it, cast iron or cast steel?
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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    Quote Originally Posted by metalman21 View Post
    That is a nice vice! I like the pipe jaws that you can rotate to the top. What is it, cast iron or cast steel?
    The one in the ad says it's ductile iron. Not sure what mine is, I'll have to look later.
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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaDave View Post
    I use a vice that rotates as well as turns. Super nice

    Similar to this one: https://www.northerntool.com/shop/to...416079b0fc7f55
    wow being able to rotate the pipe vise too the top is nice..
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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    Not to be overly negative...…….but the vise in the original video, is a piece of crap. Guy is a very good marketing doood, but it's still crap.

    Go to a farm sale, or estate sale, and score a good old vise. You'll be a lot happier.

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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    And...……...while we're at it......why do people always complain about trashing vises...……..???????

    A vise is like any other tool. Treat it right, and it lasts. It's not something to beat on with a sledge hammer.

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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    What makes it a piece of crap compared to others? For the price and condition of used vises here new is a very attractive option usually. I went with the yost style of this vise bc it's rated clamp force, opening width, and depth to slide were way better than anything else in cast flavors, new or old. Body strength I'd figure they're about even, I will agree the old usa or england castings are superior to castings of today, but given the extra meat they have vs the higher ksi of forged I'd say they end up about even in that sense. The fact that you can tighten up/align the slides was/is a huge advantage as well. In the test in the video I saw zero piece of crapness but maybe I missed something? Would a vintage cast 4 inch vise have done significantly better? I like to baby my vises as much as I baby an anvil lol

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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    Lemme try to find a pic of my decades old vise. Take a bit, so be patient.

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    Fifteen bucks at auction.

    Been welded on, cause it broke. Whoever owned it, did a very good job at welding it.

    Lives outside 24/7

    More stout than anything I've seen in this entire thread.

    FIFTEEN DOLLARS

    And it's not like the crap in the video.

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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    I go back to my theory...………….

    Anything you own is something you work with. Doesn't have to be pretty...……….it just has to work.

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    I weld stuff that's clamped in it. I can press U Joints with it. I can use it for heat bending steel...……………………………..It's a good vise. And it didn't break the bank.

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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    Nice indeed, especially the price! Unfortunately that would be 10X the price here all day everyday, too many american restoration watchers. I just checked out the newish bigger FSVs and they've gone to austempered ductile iron, 130ksi!, looks like a winner to me but as usual the price is prohibitive. You got a great deal on that vise

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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    https://fayar.craigslist.org/tls/d/r...845075220.html Pretty much same as mine, but more spensive. And a dam sight cheaper than the piece of crap in the video.

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    Re: Forged vise yield strength

    Mine......................

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