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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    Quote Originally Posted by danielplace View Post
    Dynasty runs well on even a pretty long 10 gauge on single phase so on all 3 a 10 would get you out 100 feet and run well I am pretty sure.

    My cord is #10 high quality rubber cord with old school ends it is 4 wire but one is not being used setup for single phase. It isn't so heavy. Good to have a quality long cord and some 25' ready mades but doing them for three phase would be all custom I guess.

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    I'll probably go with #8, danielplace, but that is good to know.

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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    Quote Originally Posted by Sberry View Post
    Do you have 3 phase power? The ready made cords are number 8 which is good for the heaviest machines that come factory cord and plug. These are 250 class migs. 240v single phase use 12 to 8 depending on duty cycle. 12 is the limit on 50A without additional protection.

    It's single phase, Sberry. Thanks for the data points; I think as I just posted, I'll get 100' or so of 8/3, and make my own.

    I appreciate all of the help and guidance from everyone. Thank you!

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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    Was there any fragment of the advice you received that you understood?
    An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.

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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie B View Post
    Was there any fragment of the advice you received that you understood?
    Meaning?


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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    Quote Originally Posted by CRCFX View Post
    Thank you, bigb. I like the idea, but right now those outlets are 120v outlets.
    Thats what I meant, 120 volt outlets for grinders, saws , shop vac etc
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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    Quote Originally Posted by bigb View Post
    Thats what I meant, 120 volt outlets for grinders, saws , shop vac etc
    Got it. In my haste...I'm sorry.

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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    I'll get 100' or so of 8/3
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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie B View Post
    I'll get 100' or so of 8/3
    We are getting closer.

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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    If I was making my own it would be 10 for cost and weight. It will run the 50A machines fine and the big migs are not ran like that in most home shops. Takes different gas and heavier than stock guns to run them that hard. The ready made 8 cords are rather economical especially regarding the ends.

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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    Quote Originally Posted by Sberry View Post
    If I was making my own it would be 10 for cost and weight. It will run the 50A machines fine and the big migs are not ran like that in most home shops. Takes different gas and heavier than stock guns to run them that hard. The ready made 8 cords are rather economical especially regarding the ends.
    They have 10 gauge molded end 6-50 ext cords,

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/50FT-220Vol...oAAOSwhktdUVCa

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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie B View Post
    I'll get 100' or so of 8/3
    Is there an issue with my statement?

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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    Quote Originally Posted by CRCFX View Post
    Is there an issue with my statement?
    I certainly didn't see any.

    SOOW 8g 100' gets $$$ though. $1.53 online plus the connectors.

    Proper female connector 6-50 is about $25.00 on Amazon.

    Just found this site though 6 left for $12.99 each.

    https://autoplicity.com/10569764-for...hoCcUEQAvD_BwE


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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    10/3 Cord runs about 1.00/ft. but shipping charges apply when ordering wire- unless you spend a ton of money


    But 8g will be good for any machine that comes from the manufacturer with a 6-50P on the power cord attached to the machine.
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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    As I mentioned, we don't yet have the specifics of your second machine. We know nothing of your power supply, except the misinformation that you had three phase, but no longer do. Now you are fully prepared to forge ahead. You follow in the footsteps of a thousand uninformed people who came before you.

    I am informed about my equipment. I know whether I have three phase or single. I know the length of each group of conductors contributing to my welder supply circuit. I would never put a welder on an extension cord if I didn't have a good reason. The size of the cord would not be arbitrary. Do you need three conductor cord for single phase, or four conductor for three phase. How big is enough? How big is too big?

    From my perspective you seem prepared despite missing information.
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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie B View Post
    As I mentioned, we don't yet have the specifics of your second machine. We know nothing of your power supply, except the misinformation that you had three phase, but no longer do. Now you are fully prepared to forge ahead. You follow in the footsteps of a thousand uninformed people who came before you.

    I am informed about my equipment. I know whether I have three phase or single. I know the length of each group of conductors contributing to my welder supply circuit. I would never put a welder on an extension cord if I didn't have a good reason. The size of the cord would not be arbitrary. Do you need three conductor cord for single phase, or four conductor for three phase. How big is enough? How big is too big?

    From my perspective you seem prepared despite missing information.
    Umm
    Willie you got the OP mixed up with the guy from Qatar who jumped in on this thread and asked about 3-phase.

    The OP never asked about 3-phase




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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    Precivilization from Qatar done confoosed the situation


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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    100ft 6/4 FTW! Then do you don't worry about nothin'!

    Sucker weighs about 72lbs, lol.

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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    CRCFX;
    I apologize.
    I read faster than my brain can comprehend.
    Willie
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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    Quote Originally Posted by danielplace View Post
    They have 10 gauge molded end 6-50 ext cords,

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/50FT-220Vol...oAAOSwhktdUVCa
    I hadn't looked but that's the first time I have seen ready made in 10, do they have 12 too. I am not in my office, was breezing thru and didn't read far. Is this USA vendor, I was curious about the description being "220"?
    Considering the cost of ends and all that is a good price, easy.
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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie B View Post
    CRCFX;
    I apologize.
    I read faster than my brain can comprehend.
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    No problem, Willie B, and thank you for your apology. I mixed up a few things here as well. Thank you for your help!

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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    Quote Originally Posted by Broccoli1 View Post
    Precivilization from Qatar done confoosed the situation


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    Thanks for your help, too, Broccoli1.

    Given all that was said and having checked out some prices, it's probably best to order the pre-made ones vs. making my own. It looks like all (most?) of the pre-made cords have an STW jacket. I know it's a PVC jacket; is there a CPE (Thermoplastic) jacket option out there that would be more flexible in the cold? It's not a big deal...I'm just curious if the STW 'standard' is mainly for cost/pricing reasons.

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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    never looked for any others.

    50' is a pretty long for a garage extension cord.

    I think you mentioned you would only need 25' so the STW should not be too much of a problem but I dont live in an area where it gets so cold ny extension cords freeze up
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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    Quote Originally Posted by Broccoli1 View Post
    never looked for any others.

    50' is a pretty long for a garage extension cord.

    I think you mentioned you would only need 25' so the STW should not be too much of a problem but I dont live in an area where it gets so cold ny extension cords freeze up
    Right. I only need 25’ cords. Thanks.


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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    If I needed more than 25 would rather have 50 vs 2 25's most of the time. IF you got to move frequently it's often as easy to let a little cord off instead of trying to move outlet to outlet. Some extra wire doesn't really hurt so much. At times back when had 70 ft of cord on my small feeder and reached everywhere in the shop. I got about 25 now and have an outlet on the hoist to move it from home. Got one other outlet on the far side for rare occasions I got to cover the whole place.
    I can move most stuff to a welding bay. But it's a little like air hose, 25 ft really don't work around a car, need 2 reels in a small garage. There is a bit more loss with 50 ft but it's easier to move around.

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    Re: Guidance needed for garage setup: 240 outlets or cords

    Here is one of the 25's I keep in the truck, they are not bad for weight and the lighted ends are handy sometimes when something doesn't work
    I won't use anything smaller than a 8 gauge because whereas the welder might be fine with it I also use them for the plasma and so far the only times I have had problems with the plasma's is when they have too much voltage drop!

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    I also like keeping my cords color coded.... so I can grab the red one and know it's only a 25 footer

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