Hello! I have read a couple of threads like this on here, so let me get to the details that seemed to be asked for everyone of these.
Details
I am starting a new project here and would like to learn how to TIG, as all of my experience is with MIG and oxy/acy. My other goal would be to have a good machine that I can grow into with my skills. The current build I am working on does have a mix of aluminum and steel, so I am looking for something that can do AC and DC TIG. I do not understand the different wave types and what they will do for me at this point, but I do know that some machines on my list are more capable than others. I believe all three of these can do HF starts, which I have heard are usually preferred by a pro. They all can take a "larger" mig spool. When and if a welder goes out, I will not be loosing money like a professional would, but however long it takes to get sorted out will bite time of our getting my project completed.
Welders in Question
Machines I am considering:
My Thoughts on Each Welder
TLDR: I babbled on about my thoughts on each welder, none of what I was saying dealt with any personal experience with any of the welders in question.
Everlast
I was initially set on getting the Everlast purely because of the lower cost. I became weary that I was seeing very few negative reviews on it (at least as far as a 30 minutes of google searching). I called to ask them questions about what parts they used and if they would be hard to find, and the guy seemed somewhat annoyed with me that I was asking those kinds of questions. I can deal with that to save $1,000 though right? I'm not sure... I am thinking about calling Everlast tech support today with a "fake" problem just to see how long it takes me to get someone that can help me. My buddies that think I should get this argue that my old Hobart welder (which could be considered an off brand if you are a red or blue only guy) never needed any major parts or fixes. When I did call Everlast they had a promotion where they were giving a Nova pedal with it and the guy was really pushing that. Makes me wonder, does the stock one suck?
Miller
Feel free to make fun of me on this, but Im just going to give my thoughts. I called Baker's Gas to ask for their thoughts on the ESAB vs the Miller. (Background story: I am now a software engineer and am very particular about computers, adjustability and flexibility for the user) The salesman I talked to gave me a comparison of the two saying that the Miller interface was more like an iphone; not a lot of settings, and it just works and is easy to use. Where as he said the ESAB was like an android, lots of confusing settings and difficult to work with. For me personally, that turned me off on the Miller. I want to be able to make any adjustment necessary and don't want to be babied by the user interface. Would it be nice to have a machine to hold my hand while Im learning? Sure. But I don't want to be locked into something that I cannot tweak here and there when I want to try something out on. All that being said: Every Miller welder I have ever used has impressed the hell out of me with how clean and crisp they MIG. I am sure the welder itself will work great, and probably has the best support out of any of these three.
ESAB
To be honest, I was lured into the ESAB by Ian Johnson on the show Xtreme 4x4 when he first premiered the Rebel. Unfortunately, I am easily influenced by this sort of thing if I don't have experience to back it up. That being said, I can tell you that I have watched videos on all of these welders, and the interface for the ESAB is definitely over my head. I would have to learn a lot about what adjustment does what, which will come in time I think. The ESAB just seems pretty cool to me, not really a decision based on solid data.
In Closing
So, as a person with more experience than myself, what would any of you recommend I do here? Any money I don't spend on the welder can go into other parts of the project and could (if the welder isnt costing me money to fix) save me time toward the overall completion of it.
Thank you!
EDIT: Here is a pic of what I have built so far (JD2 air over hydro bender, with Hobart 220 MIG)
Details
- Budget: $3000ish
- Use case: I am a hobbyist working on projects out of my home (so single phase 220)
- Experience: I used to be a mechanic working out of fabrication style off-road shops, have approximately 6 years of professional experience with that
- Steel thickness requirements: 3/8" single pass max which I know all welders listed are capable of. The thickest weld I can think of could be welding 1/4" to 3/8" mild steel to a cast steel steering knuckle (could be multi-pass)
- Aluminum thickness requirement: Unknown.. The project I am working on is using aluminum for floor pans, so not all that thick.
I am starting a new project here and would like to learn how to TIG, as all of my experience is with MIG and oxy/acy. My other goal would be to have a good machine that I can grow into with my skills. The current build I am working on does have a mix of aluminum and steel, so I am looking for something that can do AC and DC TIG. I do not understand the different wave types and what they will do for me at this point, but I do know that some machines on my list are more capable than others. I believe all three of these can do HF starts, which I have heard are usually preferred by a pro. They all can take a "larger" mig spool. When and if a welder goes out, I will not be loosing money like a professional would, but however long it takes to get sorted out will bite time of our getting my project completed.
Welders in Question
Machines I am considering:
- Miller Multimatic 220
- ESAB Rebel 205ic
- Everlast Lightning 225
My Thoughts on Each Welder
TLDR: I babbled on about my thoughts on each welder, none of what I was saying dealt with any personal experience with any of the welders in question.
Everlast
I was initially set on getting the Everlast purely because of the lower cost. I became weary that I was seeing very few negative reviews on it (at least as far as a 30 minutes of google searching). I called to ask them questions about what parts they used and if they would be hard to find, and the guy seemed somewhat annoyed with me that I was asking those kinds of questions. I can deal with that to save $1,000 though right? I'm not sure... I am thinking about calling Everlast tech support today with a "fake" problem just to see how long it takes me to get someone that can help me. My buddies that think I should get this argue that my old Hobart welder (which could be considered an off brand if you are a red or blue only guy) never needed any major parts or fixes. When I did call Everlast they had a promotion where they were giving a Nova pedal with it and the guy was really pushing that. Makes me wonder, does the stock one suck?
Miller
Feel free to make fun of me on this, but Im just going to give my thoughts. I called Baker's Gas to ask for their thoughts on the ESAB vs the Miller. (Background story: I am now a software engineer and am very particular about computers, adjustability and flexibility for the user) The salesman I talked to gave me a comparison of the two saying that the Miller interface was more like an iphone; not a lot of settings, and it just works and is easy to use. Where as he said the ESAB was like an android, lots of confusing settings and difficult to work with. For me personally, that turned me off on the Miller. I want to be able to make any adjustment necessary and don't want to be babied by the user interface. Would it be nice to have a machine to hold my hand while Im learning? Sure. But I don't want to be locked into something that I cannot tweak here and there when I want to try something out on. All that being said: Every Miller welder I have ever used has impressed the hell out of me with how clean and crisp they MIG. I am sure the welder itself will work great, and probably has the best support out of any of these three.
ESAB
To be honest, I was lured into the ESAB by Ian Johnson on the show Xtreme 4x4 when he first premiered the Rebel. Unfortunately, I am easily influenced by this sort of thing if I don't have experience to back it up. That being said, I can tell you that I have watched videos on all of these welders, and the interface for the ESAB is definitely over my head. I would have to learn a lot about what adjustment does what, which will come in time I think. The ESAB just seems pretty cool to me, not really a decision based on solid data.
In Closing
So, as a person with more experience than myself, what would any of you recommend I do here? Any money I don't spend on the welder can go into other parts of the project and could (if the welder isnt costing me money to fix) save me time toward the overall completion of it.
Thank you!
EDIT: Here is a pic of what I have built so far (JD2 air over hydro bender, with Hobart 220 MIG)
