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OK Aluminum MIG vertical down (after forum advice)

12K views 19 replies 16 participants last post by  cycles  
#1 ·
Ok here we go again, I hope that these pictures show more detail, so that I can receive some constructive criticism. This is a corner to an aluminum frame, all welds are on 1/8th inch aluminum, with a millermatic 350p, and python gun. The structural welds are on the outside of the box, and I am including a pic of one of them. All of the welds on the corner piece are strictly to fill gaps, many welds are ground flush and all welds are powder coated (super thick powder coat). Please remember that i work in a production shop, so I have to run run run, so taking my time and being perfect is hardly an option and there are more than 130 welds per frame. I am currently in school for welding, though my classroom knowledge of aluminum welding is terribly lacking. Thank you for looking.
 

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#3 ·
that looks much better looks like you do have a little cavitation at the termination point i would pause a little longer also those whips still look a little loose but all in all still looks alot better than the one before also keep in mind that what your doing is a balancing act with the filler welds if your bead is to high it takes the grinders longer if your bead is concave in any areas it will show when they grind it , i also used to work production i built semi trailers mostly for the oil fields and some military contracts with some where in the neighbor hood of 1000 welds per trailer quite a few were multi pass and on some the deck plate was welded solid meaning 60 feet of weld just on one item we were expected to kick one out every 15-17 hours with a two man team.....theres allways time for a good weld.
 
#5 ·
I find that by the time I get to the bottom of the weld, the base metal is so hot that it is nearly impossible to keep a convex finish, so I usually spot the bottom before I make the run, or spot it after. I could turn down the wire speed but that makes the start look cold and raised too high. I am supposed to get at least 10 of these frames a day, though I usually get 13 or so. I will probably slow down a touch and get my whips a little closer. Thank you for your help and knowledge.
 
#9 ·
4th and 5th pic seem to show craters between the ripples.

I assume you are whipping forward and back. If so, tighten it up would likely fix it.

Nothing wrong with a straight pull.

Dave J.
 
#18 ·
To those who say it's taboo to mig aluminum downhill. I have to ask just how much experience do you have on the subject? Have you done a lot of mig aluminum, what kind of tests have you done to back up your advice?

I'll agree that downhill short circuit gmaw on steel is typically a terrible idea but even that depends on the joint configuration. Short circuit steel and pulse aluminum are two totally different situations.