[streetcore]

Hi everyone,

I'm a new member here and just purchased a used Victor 315C torch, regulators, and a few tips. One of the tips is quite big, about 15 inches long, and is marked "8 WHB" (see attached pics). I've been searching for info about this tip and have not found any info yet. Does anyone know what this tip would be used for and whether it has any value? I'm planning to do some metal sculptures and wall art with light weight materials and can't imagine I'd ever need something this big.

I did find one post here from 2006 asking about WHB tips, but there were no replies: http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php?4425-Victor-welding-tip-designations

The only other thing I could find online was a repair parts page on the Air Gas site that refers to a "Type H Mixer (For Use With 7 W, 8 W, 7 WB, 8 WB, 7 WHB And 8 WHB Welding And Heating Nozzle Component"

Here's a pic of the stuff I bought. I paid $60 Canadian for everything. Was that a good deal?

View attachment 1617421

 

[mla2ofus]

Tips that size are normally used to apply a lot of heat to a very small area. I have a 5W and that's all it's used for. I can't open your link.
Mike

 

[7A749]

I would say you did outstanding. Can't help on the tip tho.

 

[streetcore]

Thanks for the replies. I thought I might try and sell the tip, but it doesn't sound like it would have much value if so few people even know what it's used for.

 

[eeapo]

A #8 tip is uses for putting out a large amount of heat to weld thick metal half inch or thicker. New they run about sixty to eighty dollars.

 

[Yofish]

What eeapo sez. Imagine doing that, welding 1/2 plate with fuel? BTW, maybe better than a rosebud at various times and conditions.

EDIT: I'll give you twenty bucks for it.

 

[streetcore]

A #8 tip is uses for putting out a large amount of heat to weld thick metal half inch or thicker. New they run about sixty to eighty dollars.

Thanks for the info. Is there something unique about "WHB" tips? I've read that "W" tips fit 300 series torches and "W-1" fit 100 series, but I haven't been able to find any info about "WHB".

What eeapo sez. Imagine doing that, welding 1/2 plate with fuel? BTW, maybe better than a rosebud at various times and conditions.

EDIT: I'll give you twenty bucks for it.

I certainly won't be welding 1/2" plate, but I might be able to use it for heating. I don't even have tanks yet, so I can't try it out, but I'll give your offer some thought.

 

[OPUS FERRO]

streetcore

I have a 1986 Victor - Apparatus & Equipment Master Catalog.

WHB = Welding Heat Barrier.

"General purpose welding and preheating. Swaged elbow tip has
"Heat barrier" to radiate excessive heat away from mixer. Flame
characteristic - long cone."

The #8 is the orifice size. #10 and #12 are the only larger sizes,
but are in the same size body [14"].

You got an exceptional deal - If you 'clean it up' don't use a power
wire brush.


Opus

 

[streetcore]

Thanks for all the info. It's a good thing there are guys like you around who preserve that old literature. ;-)

What's wrong with using a power wire brush? I would like to clean things up, especially those nice brass regulators, so any recommendations would be much appreciated.

 

[OPUS FERRO]

streetcore

A power wire brush will ruin the OEM finish - The steel bristles will striate
the soft copper and brass. Your Victor will look like it came from Walmart.

And don't use any brass cleaners that may have petroleum distillates, AKA
'volatile organic compounds' - akin to old BRASSO - be aware:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasso

How comprehensive is your safety understanding of Oxygen Acetylene and
'oil contamination'?


Opus

 

[streetcore]

streetcore

A power wire brush will ruin the OEM finish - The steel bristles will striate
the soft copper and brass. Your Victor will look like it came from Walmart.

And don't use any brass cleaners that may have petroleum distillates, AKA
'volatile organic compounds' - akin to old BRASSO - be aware:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasso

How comprehensive is your safety understanding of Oxygen Acetylene and
'oil contamination'?


Opus

Thanks for the heads up. I don't know a lot about 'oil contamination', but I've read enough the last couple days to know I won't be messing with the regulators myself. I will probably take them to my local Praxair for a rebuild. I was going to buy flashback arrestors for the used torch, but they're about $80 and I found a new Victor H315FC torch handle with built-in flash arrestors and check valves on eBay for $90. So it's on it's way.

 

[Yofish]

streetcore

A power wire brush will ruin the OEM finish - The steel bristles will striate
the soft copper and brass. Your Victor will look like it came from Walmart.

And don't use any brass cleaners that may have petroleum distillates, AKA
'volatile organic compounds' - akin to old BRASSO - be aware:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasso

How comprehensive is your safety understanding of Oxygen Acetylene and
'oil contamination'?


Opus

To the OP, this is good advice.

 

[streetcore]

I know I'm getting off topic here, but I called Praxair today and they said it's about $85CAD each to rebuild the regulators and they come back polished and looking almost like new. The rep said you can buy new regs for $105, but the quality just isn't the same and most people opt to rebuild the old ones. He said the torch could also be rebuilt for $120 and I was surprised it would be more than the regs. That's also more than I paid for the new H315FC, so it will be interesting to see how it compares the old one.

I don't know what happened to the last attachment in my original post, so here it is again. I paid $60CAD for everything here.

 

[MisforMig]

Hello streetcore, I work for Victor (now ESAB) and I showed a co-worker of mine the pictures. He's a 40 plus year man at Victor, and has forgotten more about Victor gas torches and related accessories than most of us will ever know. We searched our current catalog for nozzles, and found that over time, certain designations that were stamped on them have changed. So today, you won't find an 8 WHB. But the 8 is definitely the size of the hole in the end of the nozzle. That designation is still used. I personally think your nozzle is marked 8 WH3. I may be wrong, but that B looks like a 3. So that designation might have meant Welding Handle, with 3 perhaps being a number to indicate the overall size. Regardless, your nozzle is designed to apply one heck of a lot of heat to whatever you point it at. As for how good a deal you got, I would say you got a very good deal compared to what all of it would cost new today. There's nothing wrong with today's Victor gas equipment, and torch and regulator technology is really improved. But the older stuff still works great, can be rebuilt if necessary, and lasts forever if taken care of. I'm 58 and own a torch and set of regulators that are almost as old as I am, and they work as well as the day they were made.

 

[Yofish]

Hello streetcore, I work for Victor (now ESAB) and I showed a co-worker of mine the pictures. He's a 40 plus year man at Victor, and has forgotten more about Victor gas torches and related accessories than most of us will ever know. We searched our current catalog for nozzles, and found that over time, certain designations that were stamped on them have changed. So today, you won't find an 8 WHB. But the 8 is definitely the size of the hole in the end of the nozzle. That designation is still used. I personally think your nozzle is marked 8 WH3. I may be wrong, but that B looks like a 3. So that designation might have meant Welding Handle, with 3 perhaps being a number to indicate the overall size. Regardless, your nozzle is designed to apply one heck of a lot of heat to whatever you point it at. As for how good a deal you got, I would say you got a very good deal compared to what all of it would cost new today. There's nothing wrong with today's Victor gas equipment, and torch and regulator technology is really improved. But the older stuff still works great, can be rebuilt if necessary, and lasts forever if taken care of. I'm 58 and own a torch and set of regulators that are almost as old as I am, and they work as well as the day they were made.

Now that, right there, is a righteous post. Thanks for taking the time as it really adds to the knowledge base. I love this kind of information which is rapidly disappearing.

 

[streetcore]

Hello streetcore, I work for Victor (now ESAB) and I showed a co-worker of mine the pictures. He's a 40 plus year man at Victor... I personally think your nozzle is marked 8 WH3....

There's nothing wrong with today's Victor gas equipment, and torch and regulator technology is really improved...

Sorry I didn't respond sooner, but thanks very much for taking the time to reply. It's nice to hear from someone at Victor (ESAB). I've attached a couple more pictures of the tip and it's definitely a "B" and not a "3". I don't think it matters that much, but this would also match Opus's description as "WHB = Welding Heat Barrier".

I also received the H315FC torch that I ordered off eBay. I looks nice and is bigger and heavier than the old 315C, but the knobs feel much looser. When they're opened, I think it would be very easy to knock them out of adjustment. Does this sound normal? The knobs on the old 315C feel much tighter and more secure.

Thanks.

Victor torches - New H315FC and Old 315C. Knobs on new torch are very loose compared to the old torch. Doesn't feel right.